In light of not having anything to put up tonight I thought I'd have a go at a technique that John has been experimenting with; i.e. using Photoshop's motion blur to alter a shot during post-processing (see his shot from today and this one for a couple of examples).
I expected it would be relatively easy, but it wasn't, at least not with any of the shots that I tried it on. This was my third attempt to come up with anything even tolerably decent, and while I guess it's interesting, as an idea, I'm not sure that I've made all that good a job of it. What I was aiming for was a series of blended layers that used the motion blur to complement the existing lines in the shot, rather than just blurring the shot in one direction, but I've worked on this one for so long that I've lost the ability to evaluate it. I guess the bottom line is that this is a potentially interesting technique, that could complement some of my shots, but I probably need to think more about how to apply it, and when.
As always, your thoughts are appreciated.
Oh, and I've skipped the EXIF data for this one given the nature of the post-processing.
Update: If your're interested, I've put up a different version of this shot here:
comment by Jeroen. at 11:45 AM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
Nice!
comment byLee at 11:57 AM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
Hmmm..interesting. I have a couple of blurred shots in my gallery, one out of focus the other motion blur. I did mine in camera though, why didnt you do it in camera, and decide on photoshop instead?
comment by Robert at 11:58 AM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
I'm usually stunned by your images, but I'm not sure I like this one.
The blur on the fence is OK -- it gives it a dream world / " I've been drinking" quality. The blur on the sea oats doesn't quite fit-- maybe the lines are too sharp?
comment bydjn1 at 12:37 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
Robert: you're probably right so I've marginally toned down the blur on the sea oats on the left edge of the image.
comment by ruth at 12:58 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
i agree i'n not sure about this one. I like the bluring on the posts on the left, but further to the right you can see the original top of the post before the blur starts and that makes the blur/photo look more forced.
But i agree this could be very cool on different shots.
comment byRoy at 01:01 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
My main reservation is that I would probably find it a more attractive image without the PS effect, but still in monochrome. Just a ramshackle fence, on sand dunes, with no apparent purpose either as a barrier or defence (no pun intended...)
comment byChris at 02:59 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
Beautiful B&W & great effect!
comment by John Ryder at 03:03 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
Until I read the comments, I thought there might have been a hurricane that hit your coastline. Living in Houston, we see pictures like this every few years. This type of re-enactment is more fun to enjoy and is less damaging. Keep up the creativity - I love it.
comment by iain at 03:19 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
I would have taken a shot down the spine of the fence.
comment byStill at 03:27 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
I like this effect, but I think I prefer the shot of your archives . Perhaps more abstract, and more dynamic...
comment byholllis at 04:18 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
Your original photo is already interesting. The addition of multiple directioned blur is what doesn't work for me. In your other work you seem to attempt to keep the postprocessing from being obvious. This example screams of pp manipulation. Maybe I prefer single direction blurring because it falls within a comfort zone of what we know an actual camera movement would render. It's what works for me in John's photos. Just a thought.
comment byowen at 04:34 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
Wow Dave, I hate to say it but I really like the alternative compared to the main picture. Much more abstract. With the main picture, I think I'd prefer just to see the original.
comment by drdubosc at 05:44 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
Hmm, well, it's an experiment, so i s'pose it's incidental that this shot would have been better without the effect.
comment byBrian at 06:16 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
I'm gonna go with a vote for the unidirectional blur treatment... it makes the image more plausible to achieve in camera and more realistic feeling... but it's not always the aim to be realistic.
The different version works for me because it creates that windy feeling you have when your on the beach and sand is exfoliating your face.
while I don't comment often I must say your work is very impressive and it is great to be able to watch the process as others develop their style!
comment by AR at 06:50 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
The photo is nice but your photoblog keeps messing up. Within the last few days 1/10 the thing works. I'm using Firefox by the way.
comment bymark at 10:25 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
I actually think I prefer the other version Dave, the one before you put the detail back in. I agree with Robert about the blur working on the fence but not so much elsewhere. That's what I like about the other version, that there is no mix...it all works on the same level. As ever though, it's horses for courses isn't it :-)
One thing I do love about all your stuff, regardless, is how crisp they are...do you run a noise filter on everything Dave and if so (or even if not come to that) do you have a recommendation? Noise Ninja? Thanks
comment byAdrian Hudson at 10:53 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
Dave,
I'm sorry, I dont like the blur. I think photoshop blur shuld be reserved for images that AUGHT to look blurred like moving cars and the like. This fence wouldn't juggle up and down (it might jiggle from side to side so there might be an excuse to add some leteral blur) and so it looks odd.
Good experiment though. I would like to see the original (colour or B&W).
comment byJD at 11:00 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
Still glad to see your experimenting!
I think that a similar effect could possibly be acheived with a longer exposure and swift movement to the latter part of it...
I've done a few in the past (not many examples on my site...)
Anyway, I think it works, and they kinda look like a bit similar to lensbaby shots...
comment bydjn1 at 11:46 PM (GMT) on 14 January, 2006
Thanks everyone, but all things considered, I think we'll draw a line under this one ;-)
comment byJill at 05:17 AM (GMT) on 15 January, 2006
Really neat looking! Thanks for the inspiration.
comment byAndy Schonfelder at 01:01 PM (GMT) on 15 January, 2006
Think I prefer the more extreme version! I've experimented with this effect myself and never been very happy with the result. I think the blur lines are just too straight. Have you ever tried applying 'Warp' or 'Liquify' to just the blur layers?
I get on much better with the 'Radial' blur and often use it set to 'Zoom' mode. I've posted a couple of examples if you're interested, site is far from finished though so please excuse the mess.
and Radial
http://www.andyshon.com/photo/al&clare.php
http://www.andyshon.com/photo/grave1.php
Cheers,
Andy.
comment byjxiong at 02:51 PM (GMT) on 15 January, 2006
seems like a scene out from someone's dream.. nice tones and invokes a certain mystery feel..
comment by Mike at 06:40 PM (GMT) on 15 January, 2006
I like it a LOT. i think it is very dreamy, very ethereal, it's a soothing image too. love your work and experimentation. keep doin yo thang
comment byCaryn at 10:38 PM (GMT) on 15 January, 2006
Very nice. Love the sepia and the blurred fenceline.
comment byAdriana at 06:20 PM (GMT) on 17 January, 2006
I prefer the first one, And while I really think that Jhon is an excellent photographer, i liked your example better than the ones you pointed from him. It looks kind of ghostly and I can see that you emphasized the nature of the lines as you wanted to. Really like it :)
comment by Nikee Ghini at 05:40 PM (GMT) on 24 January, 2006
love it, never thought you could do these things postprocessing...
I remember when I was insisting on photographing " thruth" and my teacher was instructing me to alter the scene to make the image work; i was so adamant this should not be done! I was concerned when National Geo did admit and published an article about their use of digital manipulation. Now, I have accepted the fact that whatever makes an image works is acceptable.
Though I still feel that we could never compare modern photography with that of the greatest of last century - Cartier Bresson for example... he did everything in camera - what do you think?
In light of not having anything to put up tonight I thought I'd have a go at a technique that John has been experimenting with; i.e. using Photoshop's motion blur to alter a shot during post-processing (see his shot from today and this one for a couple of examples).
I expected it would be relatively easy, but it wasn't, at least not with any of the shots that I tried it on. This was my third attempt to come up with anything even tolerably decent, and while I guess it's interesting, as an idea, I'm not sure that I've made all that good a job of it. What I was aiming for was a series of blended layers that used the motion blur to complement the existing lines in the shot, rather than just blurring the shot in one direction, but I've worked on this one for so long that I've lost the ability to evaluate it. I guess the bottom line is that this is a potentially interesting technique, that could complement some of my shots, but I probably need to think more about how to apply it, and when.
As always, your thoughts are appreciated.
Oh, and I've skipped the EXIF data for this one given the nature of the post-processing.
Update: If your're interested, I've put up a different version of this shot here:
../archives/motion_blur_experiment.php
This is the blurred image prior to me adding back in the original detail.
Nice!
Hmmm..interesting. I have a couple of blurred shots in my gallery, one out of focus the other motion blur. I did mine in camera though, why didnt you do it in camera, and decide on photoshop instead?
I'm usually stunned by your images, but I'm not sure I like this one.
The blur on the fence is OK -- it gives it a dream world / " I've been drinking" quality. The blur on the sea oats doesn't quite fit-- maybe the lines are too sharp?
Robert: you're probably right so I've marginally toned down the blur on the sea oats on the left edge of the image.
i agree i'n not sure about this one. I like the bluring on the posts on the left, but further to the right you can see the original top of the post before the blur starts and that makes the blur/photo look more forced.
But i agree this could be very cool on different shots.
I quite like this picture and the effect applied to it, but maybe because I have a long-standing love of old fences (an odd passion, that started after first seeing a famous photograph by Paul Strand).
My main reservation is that I would probably find it a more attractive image without the PS effect, but still in monochrome. Just a ramshackle fence, on sand dunes, with no apparent purpose either as a barrier or defence (no pun intended...)
Beautiful B&W & great effect!
Until I read the comments, I thought there might have been a hurricane that hit your coastline. Living in Houston, we see pictures like this every few years. This type of re-enactment is more fun to enjoy and is less damaging. Keep up the creativity - I love it.
I would have taken a shot down the spine of the fence.
I like this effect, but I think I prefer the shot of your archives . Perhaps more abstract, and more dynamic...
Your original photo is already interesting. The addition of multiple directioned blur is what doesn't work for me. In your other work you seem to attempt to keep the postprocessing from being obvious. This example screams of pp manipulation. Maybe I prefer single direction blurring because it falls within a comfort zone of what we know an actual camera movement would render. It's what works for me in John's photos. Just a thought.
Wow Dave, I hate to say it but I really like the alternative compared to the main picture. Much more abstract. With the main picture, I think I'd prefer just to see the original.
Hmm, well, it's an experiment, so i s'pose it's incidental that this shot would have been better without the effect.
I'm gonna go with a vote for the unidirectional blur treatment... it makes the image more plausible to achieve in camera and more realistic feeling... but it's not always the aim to be realistic.
The different version works for me because it creates that windy feeling you have when your on the beach and sand is exfoliating your face.
while I don't comment often I must say your work is very impressive and it is great to be able to watch the process as others develop their style!
The photo is nice but your photoblog keeps messing up. Within the last few days 1/10 the thing works. I'm using Firefox by the way.
I actually think I prefer the other version Dave, the one before you put the detail back in. I agree with Robert about the blur working on the fence but not so much elsewhere. That's what I like about the other version, that there is no mix...it all works on the same level. As ever though, it's horses for courses isn't it :-)
One thing I do love about all your stuff, regardless, is how crisp they are...do you run a noise filter on everything Dave and if so (or even if not come to that) do you have a recommendation? Noise Ninja? Thanks
Dave,
I'm sorry, I dont like the blur. I think photoshop blur shuld be reserved for images that AUGHT to look blurred like moving cars and the like. This fence wouldn't juggle up and down (it might jiggle from side to side so there might be an excuse to add some leteral blur) and so it looks odd.
Good experiment though. I would like to see the original (colour or B&W).
Still glad to see your experimenting!
I think that a similar effect could possibly be acheived with a longer exposure and swift movement to the latter part of it...
I've done a few in the past (not many examples on my site...)
Anyway, I think it works, and they kinda look like a bit similar to lensbaby shots...
Thanks everyone, but all things considered, I think we'll draw a line under this one ;-)
Really neat looking! Thanks for the inspiration.
Think I prefer the more extreme version! I've experimented with this effect myself and never been very happy with the result. I think the blur lines are just too straight. Have you ever tried applying 'Warp' or 'Liquify' to just the blur layers?
I get on much better with the 'Radial' blur and often use it set to 'Zoom' mode. I've posted a couple of examples if you're interested, site is far from finished though so please excuse the mess.
Motion blur
http://www.andyshon.com/photo/jim1.php
and Radial
http://www.andyshon.com/photo/al&clare.php
http://www.andyshon.com/photo/grave1.php
Cheers,
Andy.
seems like a scene out from someone's dream.. nice tones and invokes a certain mystery feel..
I like it a LOT. i think it is very dreamy, very ethereal, it's a soothing image too. love your work and experimentation. keep doin yo thang
Very nice. Love the sepia and the blurred fenceline.
I prefer the first one, And while I really think that Jhon is an excellent photographer, i liked your example better than the ones you pointed from him. It looks kind of ghostly and I can see that you emphasized the nature of the lines as you wanted to. Really like it :)
love it, never thought you could do these things postprocessing...
I remember when I was insisting on photographing " thruth" and my teacher was instructing me to alter the scene to make the image work; i was so adamant this should not be done! I was concerned when National Geo did admit and published an article about their use of digital manipulation. Now, I have accepted the fact that whatever makes an image works is acceptable.
Though I still feel that we could never compare modern photography with that of the greatest of last century - Cartier Bresson for example... he did everything in camera - what do you think?