Inevitably, when I put up something like this, someone will come along and say (something like) "I don't like pictures of other people's art"; and for some reason this bothers me. I don't know why I feel compelled to justify this sort of shot – it's certainly not because I feel any sympathy to the "other people's art" argument ...
Anyway, I guess that a part of it is to document the transitory nature of these images. Take this shot for example: the markings on the crossing are now almost imperceptible, having been worn away by numerous feet and vehicles. So I guess that a part of me wants to record these images before they fade or are painted over. Also, I guess that I enjoy abstracting elements of grafitti from their surroundings; isolating one area as worthy of attention over and above the rest.
I guess the bottom-line though is that it's a topic that appeals to me, that I'll continue to shoot as and when I come across interesting stuff.
Oh, almost forgot, this is another HDR (generated from one original RAW file).
captured camera lens focal length aperture shutter speed shooting mode exposure bias metering mode ISO flash image quality RAW converter cropped?
9.42am on 12/3/06
Canon 20D
EF 17-40 f/4L USM
23mm (37mm equiv.)
f/5.0
1/200
aperture priority
-1/3
evaluative
100
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C1 Pro
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comment byBrett Admire at 09:40 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
Thats really cool graffetti.. great color and texture too
comment byBrett Admire at 09:42 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
I just read that this is another HDR... How exactly do you do it with one RAW file? I've tried this many many times and I still end up with a noisy image.
comment by m at 09:44 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
:-)
comment bydjn1 at 09:47 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
Bret: for this one I adjusted the exposure 1.3 stops either side of the straight shot and then combined the three 16bit TIFFs in Photomatix. I didn't have any problems with noise, at least not with this one. Some of my HDR attempts, particularly ones that contain cloudy skies, have turned out quite noisy, but this one was ok.
comment byArchijs at 09:48 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
this ones evil :)
comment by localhost at 09:48 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
I don't like pictures of other people's art
*joking*
sorry but someone had to say it :D
comment byBrett Admire at 09:52 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
Thanks dave... I guess I'll try again.. most of the ones I tried were sky and cloud shots... i'll give it another go
comment by Geoff at 09:55 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
Graphic, strikingt image. Great tone and colour. Awesome work. Who gives a rat's toss that someone painted something on a wall. You have created something entirely new.
comment byJamey at 10:26 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
I was gonna ask about noise but whats-his-face beat me to it. With Photomatix, I found that the fewer images I combined the better (ie less noisy) the result. I'd be interested to hear other views but the last one I did worked best with just two images combined - one for the sky and one for the ground.
comment bySeth at 10:44 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
Cool shot, I like this "other persons art" and the colors and tones in your photo as well.
comment byBenjamin Riley at 10:52 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
This is a great capture. I really like the colors. To me, the black lines look more like a stencil cutout of the image. Red behind the eye and eyebrow looks like it is another layer in the image. It's amazing to get the multi-layered effect with a straight shot (beisdes the HDR thing).
comment byAndy at 10:59 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
These HDR images are brilliant. They really are. Are you using the 2.1 version? Or the freeware? Do you know what the difference between them are?
BTW, I never engage in the "other peoples' art" business. But, you may be interested in this: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/03/14/DDG3BHM72I1.DTL
comment by Hoge at 11:05 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
What are you using to generate your HDR images? I've been playing with HDR a bit, and have thought about imlpementing the most recent of the tone mapping algorithms and releasing it as free software.
comment by Mal at 11:49 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2006
I feel that to document for history/posterity is a very important thing, transient art is always temporary and a one off and will be removed by some chap in a council hat with a spray gun. If a cool image of this art can be produced then great. I for one like this image, How many exposures were required to produce this shot - I love the blue saturation.
comment by Joseph at 12:01 AM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
I'm a fan of graffitii, I've done some myself, and I love your pictures. enough said. don't worry too much about peoples opinions, unless they're good!
comment byAshish Sidapara at 12:09 AM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
Wonderful composition and nice colors.
comment byJide Alakija at 12:35 AM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
Funny because I put up a grafitti shot yesterday and got a call from a friend about this same issue of photographing (recording) other people's art. I'm not sure I know what to say....I'm like you I saw it, liked it and snapped it and guess what ....showed it to other people on my blog, I didn't claim it to be mine....so I don't get the arguement.
Great HDR sir Nightgale.
comment byflying cow at 01:41 AM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
with the black background, this shot looks fab!
comment byJohn at 02:44 AM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
Uh-huh, and if you photographed a building would you not be appropriating the architect's art? But of course the architect did not create the neighborhood where the building stands, nor the weather or direction and quality of the sunlight that was present when you snapped the shutter. The framing, post-processing and presentation are all yours. So too with graffiti, you change it in the process of photographing it (the wall scribbler didn't use photoshop's HDR process, did he/she?) and make it something different, something your own. To Hell with the nitpcikers, then. Any photograph that has meaning for another viewer (in this case, me) is a photograph well taken.
comment by Paul at 06:02 AM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
To me, photography is only a passage on which we can enter somenes mind. This is a great image David...very... thrusting. Thanks for letting me into your mind.
The only wrong photograph is one, that isn't taken.
comment byMark at 06:15 AM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
I know what you mean about people's criticism about photographing other people's art. I'm not sure why it is frowned upon. I do it anyway. I have seen two of your other street art images and have been searching for some in my area as well. I just can't seem to find just the right shot and have been inspired by yours. How much post processing do you do on them?
comment byRhys Baker at 07:07 AM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
The cult of celebrity, city life anonymity and the desire to leave ones imprint- Isn't that a part of what we are all obsessed with anyhow?
A tagged wall, a gallery canvas, a global photoblog. Is there a difference?
For the record, I am an art teacher and a graffiti fan. Discussions with students about graffiti often ends up in discussions similar to those regarding 'fine art' images. Documenting such a non-permanent media is essential to its survival.
comment byJOhn Washington at 07:23 AM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
Nice shot DJN
This would seem like a great time to introduce a quote or parphrase from the great Garry Winogrand.
"I photograph things to see what they look like as a photograph"
I think that is just about right with this. Keep it going
comment byeterisk at 07:27 AM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
I agree with you about documenting grafitti because I often do so myself. The greatness in this one is the HDR treatment and the angle of it.
comment byEllie at 08:26 AM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
Its one think to thake a photo of 'someone elses art' its another to do it well, and to make it your own. i love the mood and light of this image, well done!
I have exactly the same dilemma now, David, when shooting my photowalls. So often I see some higly interesting graffitis, pictures on the walls, which are extremely fotogenic. And what with architecture? Should we not take photos of buildings? They are someone else's pieces of art - someone would say. I think the point is that it's all about how we photograph them. You can present the same piece of art in thousand different ways on a photograph. And that's art again!
comment by HÃ¥vard at 12:27 PM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
I don't se any problems whit shooting pictures of other people's art. But I don't think its right to give you the cred for the picture in that case.
Anyway.. Where is the challenge in photos like this?
comment byemma at 01:46 PM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
i think John's Garry Winogrand quote is spot on. plus - graffiti is put on walls in public places - there is nothing private about it, so where is the problem shooting it?
nice shot by the way ;) i am intruiged about this whole HDR technique... must give it a go.
comment bysamcam at 02:15 PM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
This is a beautiful shot! crisp and clear
comment byGeckoZ at 06:13 PM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
Great art captured as great picture!
comment bydjn1 at 06:17 PM (GMT) on 17 March, 2006
Thanks everyone.
comment byRaymond Tse at 11:21 AM (GMT) on 18 March, 2006
Good street art capture.
comment byCroz at 12:51 PM (GMT) on 18 March, 2006
I love it.. I never bypass the opportunity to shoot graffiti and stencil art.. This is a very cool capture David
Inevitably, when I put up something like this, someone will come along and say (something like) "I don't like pictures of other people's art"; and for some reason this bothers me. I don't know why I feel compelled to justify this sort of shot – it's certainly not because I feel any sympathy to the "other people's art" argument ...
Anyway, I guess that a part of it is to document the transitory nature of these images. Take this shot for example: the markings on the crossing are now almost imperceptible, having been worn away by numerous feet and vehicles. So I guess that a part of me wants to record these images before they fade or are painted over. Also, I guess that I enjoy abstracting elements of grafitti from their surroundings; isolating one area as worthy of attention over and above the rest.
I guess the bottom-line though is that it's a topic that appeals to me, that I'll continue to shoot as and when I come across interesting stuff.
Oh, almost forgot, this is another HDR (generated from one original RAW file).
camera
lens
focal length
aperture
shutter speed
shooting mode
exposure bias
metering mode
ISO
flash
image quality
RAW converter
cropped?
Canon 20D
EF 17-40 f/4L USM
23mm (37mm equiv.)
f/5.0
1/200
aperture priority
-1/3
evaluative
100
no
RAW
C1 Pro
no
Thats really cool graffetti.. great color and texture too
I just read that this is another HDR... How exactly do you do it with one RAW file? I've tried this many many times and I still end up with a noisy image.
:-)
Bret: for this one I adjusted the exposure 1.3 stops either side of the straight shot and then combined the three 16bit TIFFs in Photomatix. I didn't have any problems with noise, at least not with this one. Some of my HDR attempts, particularly ones that contain cloudy skies, have turned out quite noisy, but this one was ok.
this ones evil :)
I don't like pictures of other people's art
*joking*
sorry but someone had to say it :D
Thanks dave... I guess I'll try again.. most of the ones I tried were sky and cloud shots... i'll give it another go
Graphic, strikingt image. Great tone and colour. Awesome work. Who gives a rat's toss that someone painted something on a wall. You have created something entirely new.
I was gonna ask about noise but whats-his-face beat me to it. With Photomatix, I found that the fewer images I combined the better (ie less noisy) the result. I'd be interested to hear other views but the last one I did worked best with just two images combined - one for the sky and one for the ground.
Cool shot, I like this "other persons art" and the colors and tones in your photo as well.
This is a great capture. I really like the colors. To me, the black lines look more like a stencil cutout of the image. Red behind the eye and eyebrow looks like it is another layer in the image. It's amazing to get the multi-layered effect with a straight shot (beisdes the HDR thing).
These HDR images are brilliant. They really are. Are you using the 2.1 version? Or the freeware? Do you know what the difference between them are?
BTW, I never engage in the "other peoples' art" business. But, you may be interested in this: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/03/14/DDG3BHM72I1.DTL
What are you using to generate your HDR images? I've been playing with HDR a bit, and have thought about imlpementing the most recent of the tone mapping algorithms and releasing it as free software.
Hey its Mr. Clean!!! Awesome!
I like it but I prefer mine :D
http://www.mcfull.com/photo/Australia-Sydney-Glebe-Point/CMJN-67.htm
I feel that to document for history/posterity is a very important thing, transient art is always temporary and a one off and will be removed by some chap in a council hat with a spray gun. If a cool image of this art can be produced then great. I for one like this image, How many exposures were required to produce this shot - I love the blue saturation.
I'm a fan of graffitii, I've done some myself, and I love your pictures. enough said. don't worry too much about peoples opinions, unless they're good!
Wonderful composition and nice colors.
Funny because I put up a grafitti shot yesterday and got a call from a friend about this same issue of photographing (recording) other people's art. I'm not sure I know what to say....I'm like you I saw it, liked it and snapped it and guess what ....showed it to other people on my blog, I didn't claim it to be mine....so I don't get the arguement.
Great HDR sir Nightgale.
with the black background, this shot looks fab!
Uh-huh, and if you photographed a building would you not be appropriating the architect's art? But of course the architect did not create the neighborhood where the building stands, nor the weather or direction and quality of the sunlight that was present when you snapped the shutter. The framing, post-processing and presentation are all yours. So too with graffiti, you change it in the process of photographing it (the wall scribbler didn't use photoshop's HDR process, did he/she?) and make it something different, something your own. To Hell with the nitpcikers, then. Any photograph that has meaning for another viewer (in this case, me) is a photograph well taken.
To me, photography is only a passage on which we can enter somenes mind. This is a great image David...very... thrusting. Thanks for letting me into your mind.
The only wrong photograph is one, that isn't taken.
I know what you mean about people's criticism about photographing other people's art. I'm not sure why it is frowned upon. I do it anyway. I have seen two of your other street art images and have been searching for some in my area as well. I just can't seem to find just the right shot and have been inspired by yours. How much post processing do you do on them?
The cult of celebrity, city life anonymity and the desire to leave ones imprint- Isn't that a part of what we are all obsessed with anyhow?
A tagged wall, a gallery canvas, a global photoblog. Is there a difference?
For the record, I am an art teacher and a graffiti fan. Discussions with students about graffiti often ends up in discussions similar to those regarding 'fine art' images. Documenting such a non-permanent media is essential to its survival.
Nice shot DJN
This would seem like a great time to introduce a quote or parphrase from the great Garry Winogrand.
"I photograph things to see what they look like as a photograph"
I think that is just about right with this. Keep it going
I agree with you about documenting grafitti because I often do so myself. The greatness in this one is the HDR treatment and the angle of it.
Its one think to thake a photo of 'someone elses art' its another to do it well, and to make it your own. i love the mood and light of this image, well done!
I have exactly the same dilemma now, David, when shooting my photowalls. So often I see some higly interesting graffitis, pictures on the walls, which are extremely fotogenic. And what with architecture? Should we not take photos of buildings? They are someone else's pieces of art - someone would say. I think the point is that it's all about how we photograph them. You can present the same piece of art in thousand different ways on a photograph. And that's art again!
I don't se any problems whit shooting pictures of other people's art. But I don't think its right to give you the cred for the picture in that case.
Anyway.. Where is the challenge in photos like this?
i think John's Garry Winogrand quote is spot on. plus - graffiti is put on walls in public places - there is nothing private about it, so where is the problem shooting it?
nice shot by the way ;) i am intruiged about this whole HDR technique... must give it a go.
This is a beautiful shot! crisp and clear
Great art captured as great picture!
Thanks everyone.
Good street art capture.
I love it.. I never bypass the opportunity to shoot graffiti and stencil art.. This is a very cool capture David