John and I spent some time in an empty hotel on Sunday; wandering around the rooms attempting to document the feel of the place – and for the most part, my shots were utter crap. This one, of John taking a shot of the mattress overlapping the base of the bed, is one of only a few I'm remotely happy with. The problem, having thought about it and chatted with John, is that I entered the hotel with my chromasia head on – the image-a-day thing, where each shot is complete, a story in its own right (or at least that's what I intend when I take most of my shots). And I don't think that was the way I should have approached this place, not by a long way.
I think I may have mentioned this before, but I seriously think that a serial photoblog is a hindrance to developing as a photographer. Some things that are worth photographing require a series of shots; they can unfold and tell a story in a way that's impossible with just one image. But, more often than not, those sort of images can't withstand scrutiny on their own: they just don't work in isolation.
I have no intention of abandoning posting each day – it's something I do – but I also think that I need to spend more time telling other sorts of stories too.
comment by Carol at 08:29 PM (GMT) on 12 June, 2006
Hmmm, revolution afoot?! ;=) Hmmm in the past you've done a series of images over a few days and it's worked fine....I mean I think we've kept up. So chromasia doesn't have to be stand-alone shots, I don't think. Maybe you could pretend you're not photographing for Chromasia, to feel less constrained?!
I like the feeling of the deep mattress in b & w , my focal point is John's foot sinking in & like the detail on the texture of the carpet too. Find myself wanting to see all of the person standing on the mattress.
comment byJoseph at 08:29 PM (GMT) on 12 June, 2006
Thats beautiful!
I think you did a fine job, despite your own claims.
I actually prefer your picture to Johns, But it is nice to see a variation from the same location. I wish I could find an abandoned hotel!!
comment byjoe_ob at 08:29 PM (GMT) on 12 June, 2006
Yes, but your blog is a great take on Blackpool as it is. Maybe not all the shots are wonderful but there are plenty that are.
comment byBrett Admire at 08:30 PM (GMT) on 12 June, 2006
I agree with what you're saying. For the photo, I love it.
comment byJustin Gaynor at 08:46 PM (GMT) on 12 June, 2006
I really love the levels in this shot, it's got a nice range in it.
comment bymartin at 09:06 PM (GMT) on 12 June, 2006
Very good ! This is simple and a great black and white shot, David. Think you had a good time there :-)
comment bym i k e b at 09:12 PM (GMT) on 12 June, 2006
I for one am excited to see you tackle a series. Understand too that there are some of us who visit daily in anticipation of what is next. To see a story unfold is all the more reason to be excited to visit tomorrow.
great shot - i love the black and white treatment it seems to suit the abandoned mood to the hotel.
interesting point about serial photography too. i have been thinking similar thoughts recently and while i like to post frequently, i hope to be able to post under a few personal projects that i have on my mind soon... the trouble is finding time to shoot for the blog while holding down a full time job and trying to have a personal life, let alone trying to create some interesting projects....!!!
John and I were talking about that in Starbuck's last week, don't remember if you were there at the time, but I totally agree with you... A daily photoblog should be used as a guiding, encouraging, learning experience that we use to better ourselves and the photography we so lovingly keep coming back to doing day in and day out.
I know you often say you feel as though a shoot wasn't very good, but I want to say, go back and look at some things, there will inevitably be something you can do with a lot more than you think. I have often thought I only got crap during a shoot, but then I went back and looked at it again, reworked some things and vwa la, something came together and worked out great.
Keep up the good work and let things play out and see where they lead you.
Post a series by all means, I have on my blog and I will again. I really like this shot, it gives me a great feeling but I can't express why...sorry! If I can work out what it is I will post again.
comment byAndrew at 10:06 PM (GMT) on 12 June, 2006
Well processed sir! I like the look of this shot. I've personally actually gone back to shooting B&W Film at times now (yes film!). Partially for the challenge, and the nostalgia, but mainly to understand how B&W works again. How colors and lighting translates into the grayscale world. We all know that a simlple de-sat of a colour photo doesn't cut it for making a B&W photo. This shot is a great B&W shot, lots of detail.
I also agree about the challenge of shooting one photo that tells a whole story. It's difficult. But there's nothing wrong with a multi-day story on a serial photoblog in my opinion. Does that go against the definition of a serial photoblog?
comment byMikesRightBrain at 10:10 PM (GMT) on 12 June, 2006
David you can of course also post a series on a single entry, such as a triptych or something like that...
comment byflying cow at 11:50 PM (GMT) on 12 June, 2006
I found an abandoned hotel near me a while ago (pic / back story). They're a bloody nightmare for photography without a tripod or off-carmea flash, aren't they. You did well to get this shot at ISO 200, to be honest.
If it's any consolation, most of the shots I came away with were crap too, even when I was able to improvise a tripod from a table or chair about the place. Plus the hotel I found was pitch black and I was on my own, so it was a bit unnerving.
/wuss
comment bymiles at 03:26 AM (GMT) on 13 June, 2006
Lovely tones here Dave and an interesting shot.
I'm sure that now you've realised your position you'll be able to adapt and take the shots you want to. In a way this very post, where you realised that thinking as a serial photographer hinders development, is actually an important point in your development, init? :)
I definately agree with you about series photographs, I like the one you did with the "keep out" sign a while back. Although very simple it tells a small story.
comment by thlayli at 05:35 AM (GMT) on 13 June, 2006
is there some reason that you can't post three or four pictures at a time, if the mood strikes you?
comment bynavin harish at 06:22 AM (GMT) on 13 June, 2006
Ho David,
It is nice shot and I understand what you are saying about taking a series of shots instead of one. I went to Delhi and while I go there I don't go with a photo-a-day frame of mind and just keep clicking whatever I fancy. When I returned after my last trip, I wanted to post some pictures but most of those pictures were worthless on their own, because they said nothing and in some case were not good pictures in any way (like blurred or over/under exposed). I decided to put them in a image gallery together and used them loosely to tell a story. In such a scenarios people are a lot more forgiving about the quality of individual images because they can see the "big picture" and are more interested in them. Have a look your self.
comment byderLitograph at 07:58 AM (GMT) on 13 June, 2006
WOW, i love this shot. This is sooo nice. The black dominates the picture in a perfect way. Who is this on the bed?
comment by smo at 09:25 AM (GMT) on 13 June, 2006
This photo is brilliant. An empty hotel? Oh my god I really envy you guys for a location like this. :) Now heading over to John's...
comment byjesse at 10:17 AM (GMT) on 13 June, 2006
its a great idea to post several images per post to tell a story, and i fully support it.
comment bydavid at 10:56 AM (GMT) on 13 June, 2006
really well composed! I say jump on that bed..cheers :)
comment bymooch at 12:24 PM (GMT) on 13 June, 2006
I totally agree with your conclusion regarding the requirement for a series and its clash with the blog format. Why this should be a hindrance, on the other hand, I do not follow. I agree, capturing the essence of a moment is what challenges me as a photographer and I do like to attempt the conveyance of this, but then again, in some circumstances this just cannot occur. My thoughts, and yes, I have analyzed this, have led me to conclude that the image a day, has its limitations and it does frustrate but if people are loyal and engaged by you, then sod it. Inform them that the next (say week), the following images are taken from “a hotel” and are used as a narrative. It’s your blog and I feel the only way to please yourself is to stay true to your own drive. The more I have indulged in this photoblog world, the more militant my views have become. I am not here to entertain the masses (as this is not achievable), more hone my own skills. Photography constantly stimulates me, the success or otherwise is just a bi-product. Besides, experimentation is good and a pre-requisite!
comment byYanik at 02:38 PM (GMT) on 13 June, 2006
Great angle here...As ive said before, really ladmire your work...Check out my blog when u have the time...
Cheers, yanik
comment by rudy at 03:20 PM (GMT) on 13 June, 2006
Hi D&L, just really glad to hear things OK and you're back home as gorgeous as before. Images amazing as usual - well done on the times award - http://www.time.com/time/2005/websites/ - very well deserved. Posted up on artsednews again... couldn't resist! R, P, Ev & Chia xx
comment bybehdindthelens at 03:38 PM (GMT) on 13 June, 2006
I agree 100% with your thoughts about a photoblogs. IMHO, it seems that you can put a lot of pressure on yourself when you are posting daily. I feel that when I concentrate on photographic projects, rather than trying to get an image to post for tomorrow I get more out of my photography. Don’t get me wrong, posting to a blog is enjoyable, but I really feel that it hampers both my creativity and my learning about photography in general.
Just my $.02
comment byandresbortnik at 06:13 PM (GMT) on 13 June, 2006
i like the composition and the gradient of b/w tones. cool image.
comment bymicki at 07:30 PM (GMT) on 13 June, 2006
When I saw John's shot, I was trying to picture him taking it. How ironic that you took this shot.
John and I spent some time in an empty hotel on Sunday; wandering around the rooms attempting to document the feel of the place – and for the most part, my shots were utter crap. This one, of John taking a shot of the mattress overlapping the base of the bed, is one of only a few I'm remotely happy with. The problem, having thought about it and chatted with John, is that I entered the hotel with my chromasia head on – the image-a-day thing, where each shot is complete, a story in its own right (or at least that's what I intend when I take most of my shots). And I don't think that was the way I should have approached this place, not by a long way.
I think I may have mentioned this before, but I seriously think that a serial photoblog is a hindrance to developing as a photographer. Some things that are worth photographing require a series of shots; they can unfold and tell a story in a way that's impossible with just one image. But, more often than not, those sort of images can't withstand scrutiny on their own: they just don't work in isolation.
I have no intention of abandoning posting each day – it's something I do – but I also think that I need to spend more time telling other sorts of stories too.
Oh, and John's just posted a shot of this bed too.
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Hmmm, revolution afoot?! ;=) Hmmm in the past you've done a series of images over a few days and it's worked fine....I mean I think we've kept up. So chromasia doesn't have to be stand-alone shots, I don't think. Maybe you could pretend you're not photographing for Chromasia, to feel less constrained?!
I like the feeling of the deep mattress in b & w , my focal point is John's foot sinking in & like the detail on the texture of the carpet too. Find myself wanting to see all of the person standing on the mattress.
Thats beautiful!
I think you did a fine job, despite your own claims.
I actually prefer your picture to Johns, But it is nice to see a variation from the same location. I wish I could find an abandoned hotel!!
Yes, but your blog is a great take on Blackpool as it is. Maybe not all the shots are wonderful but there are plenty that are.
I agree with what you're saying. For the photo, I love it.
I really love the levels in this shot, it's got a nice range in it.
Very good ! This is simple and a great black and white shot, David. Think you had a good time there :-)
I for one am excited to see you tackle a series. Understand too that there are some of us who visit daily in anticipation of what is next. To see a story unfold is all the more reason to be excited to visit tomorrow.
great shot - i love the black and white treatment it seems to suit the abandoned mood to the hotel.
interesting point about serial photography too. i have been thinking similar thoughts recently and while i like to post frequently, i hope to be able to post under a few personal projects that i have on my mind soon... the trouble is finding time to shoot for the blog while holding down a full time job and trying to have a personal life, let alone trying to create some interesting projects....!!!
David,
John and I were talking about that in Starbuck's last week, don't remember if you were there at the time, but I totally agree with you... A daily photoblog should be used as a guiding, encouraging, learning experience that we use to better ourselves and the photography we so lovingly keep coming back to doing day in and day out.
I know you often say you feel as though a shoot wasn't very good, but I want to say, go back and look at some things, there will inevitably be something you can do with a lot more than you think. I have often thought I only got crap during a shoot, but then I went back and looked at it again, reworked some things and vwa la, something came together and worked out great.
Keep up the good work and let things play out and see where they lead you.
Post a series by all means, I have on my blog and I will again. I really like this shot, it gives me a great feeling but I can't express why...sorry! If I can work out what it is I will post again.
Well processed sir! I like the look of this shot. I've personally actually gone back to shooting B&W Film at times now (yes film!). Partially for the challenge, and the nostalgia, but mainly to understand how B&W works again. How colors and lighting translates into the grayscale world. We all know that a simlple de-sat of a colour photo doesn't cut it for making a B&W photo. This shot is a great B&W shot, lots of detail.
I also agree about the challenge of shooting one photo that tells a whole story. It's difficult. But there's nothing wrong with a multi-day story on a serial photoblog in my opinion. Does that go against the definition of a serial photoblog?
David you can of course also post a series on a single entry, such as a triptych or something like that...
rummaging through the junk
I found an abandoned hotel near me a while ago (pic / back story). They're a bloody nightmare for photography without a tripod or off-carmea flash, aren't they. You did well to get this shot at ISO 200, to be honest.
If it's any consolation, most of the shots I came away with were crap too, even when I was able to improvise a tripod from a table or chair about the place. Plus the hotel I found was pitch black and I was on my own, so it was a bit unnerving.
/wuss
Lovely tones here Dave and an interesting shot.
I'm sure that now you've realised your position you'll be able to adapt and take the shots you want to. In a way this very post, where you realised that thinking as a serial photographer hinders development, is actually an important point in your development, init? :)
I definately agree with you about series photographs, I like the one you did with the "keep out" sign a while back. Although very simple it tells a small story.
is there some reason that you can't post three or four pictures at a time, if the mood strikes you?
Ho David,
It is nice shot and I understand what you are saying about taking a series of shots instead of one. I went to Delhi and while I go there I don't go with a photo-a-day frame of mind and just keep clicking whatever I fancy. When I returned after my last trip, I wanted to post some pictures but most of those pictures were worthless on their own, because they said nothing and in some case were not good pictures in any way (like blurred or over/under exposed). I decided to put them in a image gallery together and used them loosely to tell a story. In such a scenarios people are a lot more forgiving about the quality of individual images because they can see the "big picture" and are more interested in them. Have a look your self.
WOW, i love this shot. This is sooo nice. The black dominates the picture in a perfect way. Who is this on the bed?
This photo is brilliant. An empty hotel? Oh my god I really envy you guys for a location like this. :) Now heading over to John's...
its a great idea to post several images per post to tell a story, and i fully support it.
really well composed! I say jump on that bed..cheers :)
I totally agree with your conclusion regarding the requirement for a series and its clash with the blog format. Why this should be a hindrance, on the other hand, I do not follow. I agree, capturing the essence of a moment is what challenges me as a photographer and I do like to attempt the conveyance of this, but then again, in some circumstances this just cannot occur. My thoughts, and yes, I have analyzed this, have led me to conclude that the image a day, has its limitations and it does frustrate but if people are loyal and engaged by you, then sod it. Inform them that the next (say week), the following images are taken from “a hotel” and are used as a narrative. It’s your blog and I feel the only way to please yourself is to stay true to your own drive. The more I have indulged in this photoblog world, the more militant my views have become. I am not here to entertain the masses (as this is not achievable), more hone my own skills. Photography constantly stimulates me, the success or otherwise is just a bi-product. Besides, experimentation is good and a pre-requisite!
Great angle here...As ive said before, really ladmire your work...Check out my blog when u have the time...
Cheers, yanik
Hi D&L, just really glad to hear things OK and you're back home as gorgeous as before. Images amazing as usual - well done on the times award - http://www.time.com/time/2005/websites/ - very well deserved. Posted up on artsednews again... couldn't resist! R, P, Ev & Chia xx
I agree 100% with your thoughts about a photoblogs. IMHO, it seems that you can put a lot of pressure on yourself when you are posting daily. I feel that when I concentrate on photographic projects, rather than trying to get an image to post for tomorrow I get more out of my photography. Don’t get me wrong, posting to a blog is enjoyable, but I really feel that it hampers both my creativity and my learning about photography in general.
Just my $.02
i like the composition and the gradient of b/w tones. cool image.
When I saw John's shot, I was trying to picture him taking it. How ironic that you took this shot.
Thanks everyone :-)
i just love this photo,simple,and shiny