It's odd, but when I find something on the beach that I think is worth photographing I very rarely disturb it, and often come away having very little idea about the object itself. Take this shot: it's the side of an upturned tin, about 4" in diameter, part-buried in the sand; but I have no idea what it once contained. And I'm not sure why I don't move them or examine them – after all, they're little more than discarded rubbish – but there's always something that holds me back. Maybe it's something to do with thinking that if I think it's worth photographing, it's a scene that shouldn't be disturbed. I don't know.
So, here's what may have been a biscuit tin, a tin that contained a 'boy racer' mug, or maybe it held something different entirely.
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Hi Dave Believe it or believe it not this is a tin in which Royal Worcester, Jamie Oliver, Boy Racer mugs are packed! Check out the link. I love the patina on this shot, I bet the tin could tell a tale.
As for moving found objects, I understand what you mean. It is a bit like plucking a wild flower. It just ceases to be what it was when you move it from it's location.
comment byFellow Eskimo at 10:39 PM (GMT) on 4 December, 2006
Very odd, you really like rustic things, and odd junk on the beach. I find your facination with photographing them more intreguing than the objects themselves. I like the spectrum of colors on this shot.
comment bydjn1 at 11:26 PM (GMT) on 4 December, 2006
Damn, that's the end of that bit of intrigue then (but thanks for the links). And it's not that I have anything specific against Jamie Oliver – bless him – but I did rather hope that it might have been something with a little more social or cultural significance ;-)
comment byEric Hegwer at 11:27 PM (GMT) on 4 December, 2006
take only pictures
leave only footprints
comment byMark Palmer at 11:54 PM (GMT) on 4 December, 2006
I think to be honest, the reason you don't disturb the scene is because deep down you like the mystery more than anything. This was proved adequately when you seemed disappointed to know what it was. I'd be exactly the same though. Great shot though, had me thinking before I read your description and I couldn't guess for the life of me!
comment byRobert at 01:33 AM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
The texture and wear are great. I have no idea who James Oliver is, so I'll keep a little of the mystery and avoid the links.
comment byjezblog at 02:36 AM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
"if I think it's worth photographing, it's a scene that shouldn't be disturbed"......Im glad to hear you are catching the photojournalists discipline of move nothing change...... nothing. I remember you describing how you moved an old TV into the sun....... I was incredulous......... er....... of course why should you not..... except I just never could......... no way........i always set myself the discipline of photographing people and things as I find them ......... and if Im honest i am so much more interested in images created using this peculiar discipline ......... for me they have the important X-factor of being a genuine image from reality....... something with intrinsic interest....... not just something artificially created to form a photograph. I like this and I have the warm feeling of knowing that you did the right thing while in shooting it. Nice one David!
Cheers Jez XX
comment byDave at 03:27 AM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
I think I wouldn't had moved it either but I can't find any logical reason for not doing so, or not moving an object to improve the shot. What goes to the world isn't the internal struggle of 'forgive me father for I have sinned, I moved it', but the picture, and once the picture is there it can be impossible to know if the object was moved or not, thus anything happened before the trigger was pulled (or anything happening after it) is irrelevant to the piece of art that is the shot itself, uh?
But then again I wonder why I wouldn't had moved it either. Because you hunt images and you see the scene and the shot as it will be before thinking how would it all be after moving the object, I guess.
And about going away knowing nothing of the object, it's understable if you care about the image, that is what is going to last, the ending product, and forgive the object itself. Then after all once the shot is done, the interest the image you saw brough you banishes away.
comment byAndrew at 04:05 AM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
coolio. before reading the description i thought you merged two photos together. the tin looks nice.
comment byP.J. at 04:45 AM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
Wow. Awesome photo and colors. I really like it!
comment by Sharla at 05:21 AM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
An interesting shot--the rust and sand add a large amount of "noise" to the shot. The curvature explains the loss of focus at the sides but that loss further centers the eye. Then the color bands give it a tryptic feel.
For me, picking up rubbish means ownership. If you don't pick it up or touch it, you're fine. However, once you pick it up then you're responsible for proper disposal. You certainly CAN'T just toss it back because then you are a litterbug.
comment byMike at 07:43 AM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
Nice shot, a gritty mix of textures, colour and shapes.
comment by damien at 12:33 PM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
wierd you have slipped to 12 on cool photoblogs Im used to seen you second on the list
comment byJoseph at 12:48 PM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
I really like the edges, almost toy camera-like. great picture!
Dave, whats happened to your Coolphotoblogs rating I for one am going to slip in a cool rating for you right now... I suggest everyone else does aswell, you've fallen out of the list... wierd coz it happened almost over 2 days....... something wierd going on?
comment by Rob at 04:58 PM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
Hi Dave. I don't particulary like this shot (I do like the colors and the edges), but I wanted to comment on the sentiment, because I do the same thing and feel the same way. I try very hard not to alter the things I shoot in any way. I mostly shoot still life/nature stuff and I don't even move a twig or a leaf when I set up - it just seems wrong to me (yet I post-process and might on rare occasions photoshop out something too distracting ;-)) Wondering if anyone else feels the same way.
comment by Richard Trim at 07:45 PM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
Gosh! What an amazing outburst of sincerity and moral principles. Absolutely nothing wrong with that at all and good for all of you. Photoshop editing doesn't of course change anything ... or er... does it? Nothing is fixed in stone for ever ...and the next high tide would most probably have re-arranged the tin anyway.
I pesonally would make minor changes if it helped create the the intended concept and composition and maybe humour in the photo.
comment bydjn1 at 08:44 PM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
Thanks everyone :-)
comment byGeoff at 09:25 PM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
Funny, the instant I saw this I thought "Jamie Oliver". It must have been the fact he was in the picture ;)
I'm not a big fan of the colour palette, but I find the whole junk debate very interesting.
comment byPeter F at 09:31 PM (GMT) on 5 December, 2006
nature vs commercial detritus. nice.
comment byEduardo at 01:53 AM (GMT) on 9 December, 2006
Increíble foto! Gran textura y color. Felicidades
EdÜardo
It's odd, but when I find something on the beach that I think is worth photographing I very rarely disturb it, and often come away having very little idea about the object itself. Take this shot: it's the side of an upturned tin, about 4" in diameter, part-buried in the sand; but I have no idea what it once contained. And I'm not sure why I don't move them or examine them – after all, they're little more than discarded rubbish – but there's always something that holds me back. Maybe it's something to do with thinking that if I think it's worth photographing, it's a scene that shouldn't be disturbed. I don't know.
So, here's what may have been a biscuit tin, a tin that contained a 'boy racer' mug, or maybe it held something different entirely.
camera
lens
focal length
aperture
shutter speed
shooting mode
exposure bias
metering mode
ISO
flash
image quality
RAW converter
cropped?
Canon 20D
EF 17-40 f/4L USM
40mm (64mm equiv.)
f/5.6
1/100
aperture priority
-1/3
evaluative
100
no
RAW
C1 Pro
rotated 180°
WOW I love the color in this.
That does kinda make sense, in a weird way, though I have no idea why either. Nice shot.
Hi Dave Believe it or believe it not this is a tin in which Royal Worcester, Jamie Oliver, Boy Racer mugs are packed! Check out the link. I love the patina on this shot, I bet the tin could tell a tale.
As for moving found objects, I understand what you mean. It is a bit like plucking a wild flower. It just ceases to be what it was when you move it from it's location.
The mug looks like it came from here:
http://www.chinaetc.co.uk/RoyalWorcester/patterns/jamieoliver/mugs.asp
Very odd, you really like rustic things, and odd junk on the beach. I find your facination with photographing them more intreguing than the objects themselves. I like the spectrum of colors on this shot.
Damn, that's the end of that bit of intrigue then (but thanks for the links). And it's not that I have anything specific against Jamie Oliver – bless him – but I did rather hope that it might have been something with a little more social or cultural significance ;-)
take only pictures
leave only footprints
I think to be honest, the reason you don't disturb the scene is because deep down you like the mystery more than anything. This was proved adequately when you seemed disappointed to know what it was. I'd be exactly the same though. Great shot though, had me thinking before I read your description and I couldn't guess for the life of me!
The texture and wear are great. I have no idea who James Oliver is, so I'll keep a little of the mystery and avoid the links.
"if I think it's worth photographing, it's a scene that shouldn't be disturbed"......Im glad to hear you are catching the photojournalists discipline of move nothing change...... nothing. I remember you describing how you moved an old TV into the sun....... I was incredulous......... er....... of course why should you not..... except I just never could......... no way........i always set myself the discipline of photographing people and things as I find them ......... and if Im honest i am so much more interested in images created using this peculiar discipline ......... for me they have the important X-factor of being a genuine image from reality....... something with intrinsic interest....... not just something artificially created to form a photograph. I like this and I have the warm feeling of knowing that you did the right thing while in shooting it. Nice one David!
Cheers Jez XX
I think I wouldn't had moved it either but I can't find any logical reason for not doing so, or not moving an object to improve the shot. What goes to the world isn't the internal struggle of 'forgive me father for I have sinned, I moved it', but the picture, and once the picture is there it can be impossible to know if the object was moved or not, thus anything happened before the trigger was pulled (or anything happening after it) is irrelevant to the piece of art that is the shot itself, uh?
But then again I wonder why I wouldn't had moved it either. Because you hunt images and you see the scene and the shot as it will be before thinking how would it all be after moving the object, I guess.
And about going away knowing nothing of the object, it's understable if you care about the image, that is what is going to last, the ending product, and forgive the object itself. Then after all once the shot is done, the interest the image you saw brough you banishes away.
coolio. before reading the description i thought you merged two photos together. the tin looks nice.
Wow. Awesome photo and colors. I really like it!
An interesting shot--the rust and sand add a large amount of "noise" to the shot. The curvature explains the loss of focus at the sides but that loss further centers the eye. Then the color bands give it a tryptic feel.
For me, picking up rubbish means ownership. If you don't pick it up or touch it, you're fine. However, once you pick it up then you're responsible for proper disposal. You certainly CAN'T just toss it back because then you are a litterbug.
Nice shot, a gritty mix of textures, colour and shapes.
wierd you have slipped to 12 on cool photoblogs Im used to seen you second on the list
I really like the edges, almost toy camera-like. great picture!
Dave, whats happened to your Coolphotoblogs rating I for one am going to slip in a cool rating for you right now... I suggest everyone else does aswell, you've fallen out of the list... wierd coz it happened almost over 2 days....... something wierd going on?
Hi Dave. I don't particulary like this shot (I do like the colors and the edges), but I wanted to comment on the sentiment, because I do the same thing and feel the same way. I try very hard not to alter the things I shoot in any way. I mostly shoot still life/nature stuff and I don't even move a twig or a leaf when I set up - it just seems wrong to me (yet I post-process and might on rare occasions photoshop out something too distracting ;-)) Wondering if anyone else feels the same way.
Gosh! What an amazing outburst of sincerity and moral principles. Absolutely nothing wrong with that at all and good for all of you. Photoshop editing doesn't of course change anything ... or er... does it? Nothing is fixed in stone for ever ...and the next high tide would most probably have re-arranged the tin anyway.
I pesonally would make minor changes if it helped create the the intended concept and composition and maybe humour in the photo.
Thanks everyone :-)
Funny, the instant I saw this I thought "Jamie Oliver". It must have been the fact he was in the picture ;)
I'm not a big fan of the colour palette, but I find the whole junk debate very interesting.
nature vs commercial detritus. nice.
Increíble foto! Gran textura y color. Felicidades
EdÜardo