When I put up the first shot of Ryan and Fiona a few days ago, a couple of you mentioned that it looked like a shot from a (sort of) Bond movie, though I don't think that was intentional – on either Ryan and Fiona's part, or mine. This one, on the other hand, was intended as a spoof of that genre; i.e. hard-faced serious looking bloke and pouty, adoring woman.
Anyway, leaving the aesthetic content on one side for a minute, I'm really pleased with this one, not least because I think that the black and white conversion works well. To see what I mean you might want to take a look at the original image:
The only adjustments I made to the original were i) to use the Channel Mixer for the black and white conversion (heavily biased towards the blue channel), and ii) a single S-Curve to adjust the contrast.
Update: I must have been half-asleep when I posted this last night as (as was pointed out) I forgot to mention that I did use flash. Also, I've gone with John's suggestion to remove Fiona's fingers from Ryan's right shoulder. I also toned down the reflected light on Fiona's right shoulder. If you're interested, the previous version is here:
comment by Richard Trim at 08:01 PM (GMT) on 4 September, 2007
Well they make a good 'act'. Mean and brooding sort of comes to mind. It's much more powerful and dramatic than the original colour version. Bet these two 'shy' people had real good fun acting these shots up. Ha!
comment byJamie at 09:03 PM (GMT) on 4 September, 2007
Ha, this is great. Given that the effect was intentional I like this one the best of the three so far.
comment byAsh at 09:34 PM (GMT) on 4 September, 2007
I'm biased I know, but I'm loving your Bahamas series.
comment by Jennifer at 09:45 PM (GMT) on 4 September, 2007
Great bit of ham! Have you any of them giggling between shots? ;-)
comment byTinaR at 09:59 PM (GMT) on 4 September, 2007
It´s always amazing what someone can make out of a picture that looks not that great ut of the camera.
comment bymikelangelo at 10:05 PM (GMT) on 4 September, 2007
I like. I really like how the water came out. I just think the figures are too dark for my taste. I really like the tone/detail in the skin, tho'. Just too dark is all.
comment by Dave at 11:17 PM (GMT) on 4 September, 2007
For me this is too posed, and after looking at the original image there is definitely too much contrast in this edit, especially the background becoming so blown out, Fiona looks beautiful in the original image, but a little freaky in the edit in my opinion. On the plus side, I am enjoying these images Dave, you have done a great job, and to be quite honest i'm a bit jealous! :)
comment byJide Alakija at 11:34 PM (GMT) on 4 September, 2007
Nice one Dave...though if you allow me to be picky I would have preferred if you had the negative space on the otherside where Fiona is backing us. Otherwise a tighter crop would suffice. I don't think I like the negative space on the right the more I look at it. I hope I've not gone too far with this comment!
comment byNate at 03:43 AM (GMT) on 5 September, 2007
Howdy Dave, since you posted the original picture to this, I went ahead and had a little fun with it. I thought you might like to see it. Let me know what you think, even though it wasn't what you were going for.
comment by John at 07:50 AM (GMT) on 5 September, 2007
This is the best one for me Dave, although I do find two things a little distracting. Of course it's only my opinion and I''m going to get you back for all those times you said to me 'I would have just...'
Firstly the hotspots on the faces and in particular the girls shoulder. They are distracting and in particular the circular hotspot takes away the emphasis of the models face.
Secondly, the girls fingers on the guys shoulders are destroying what otherwise might be a nice shape.
The blown background works for me though.
comment byMarkP at 09:55 AM (GMT) on 5 September, 2007
I did prefer the more natural shot in #2, they don't look terribly comfortable in this one. Technically though it's a good photo, i like the high contrast. None with colour though? Must've been some beautiful skies and clear water surely?
comment byandyshon at 10:05 AM (GMT) on 5 September, 2007
Some really constructive criticism today isn't there, much of which I wouldn't have thought of. I think I agree with Jide about putting them on the other side of frame, John about the fingers (get re-touching). I like the high contrast though, don't mind the blown BG or the hotspots, I might even crank it up some more.
I know this is probably anathema but this would look great on b/w film, perhaps a 400 pushed a stop or two. Your EXIF says no flash! Hmm, wheres that light coming from then? Looks like on-camera-flash to me. Ring flash maybe or get the flash off camera.
comment by steve at 12:04 PM (GMT) on 5 September, 2007
nice subtle plug for the tutorials... isn't it b/w conversion month? ;-)
comment byandyshon at 12:22 PM (GMT) on 5 September, 2007
Sorting through pics for my own (future) site and I came across this one. Kind of a similar shot (technically) but with the flash off camera. I'm not so sure now... Anyway, that's enough geekery for one day.
comment byTalis at 01:40 PM (GMT) on 5 September, 2007
Really amazing what you can achieve in the post processing. The difference between the images are huge.
comment bydjn1 at 07:08 PM (GMT) on 5 September, 2007
Thanks all.
Jennifer: yes, and I may put one up - I haven't decided yet.
Jide: you're probably right about the negative space.
Nate: oddly enough one of my original edits looked very similar to your version but I ended up going with the black and white.
John: yep, you're right.
Mark P: yes, but I couldn't get a colour version of this one that I liked.
andyshon: yep, a bit of grain wouldn't hurt this image, and you're quite right, I did use flash (that's the problem with manually entering EXIF data). As for your other comment: I like the image you linked.
comment by sienna leo at 08:02 PM (GMT) on 10 September, 2007
i would suggest you stick to landscapes. your landscapes are amazing, but i have to say your portraits just aren't at the same level.
When I put up the first shot of Ryan and Fiona a few days ago, a couple of you mentioned that it looked like a shot from a (sort of) Bond movie, though I don't think that was intentional – on either Ryan and Fiona's part, or mine. This one, on the other hand, was intended as a spoof of that genre; i.e. hard-faced serious looking bloke and pouty, adoring woman.
Anyway, leaving the aesthetic content on one side for a minute, I'm really pleased with this one, not least because I think that the black and white conversion works well. To see what I mean you might want to take a look at the original image:
.../archives/ryan_and_fiona_3.php
The only adjustments I made to the original were i) to use the Channel Mixer for the black and white conversion (heavily biased towards the blue channel), and ii) a single S-Curve to adjust the contrast.
Update: I must have been half-asleep when I posted this last night as (as was pointed out) I forgot to mention that I did use flash. Also, I've gone with John's suggestion to remove Fiona's fingers from Ryan's right shoulder. I also toned down the reflected light on Fiona's right shoulder. If you're interested, the previous version is here:
.../archives/ryan_and_fiona_3b.php
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Well they make a good 'act'. Mean and brooding sort of comes to mind. It's much more powerful and dramatic than the original colour version. Bet these two 'shy' people had real good fun acting these shots up. Ha!
Ha, this is great. Given that the effect was intentional I like this one the best of the three so far.
I'm biased I know, but I'm loving your Bahamas series.
Great bit of ham! Have you any of them giggling between shots? ;-)
It´s always amazing what someone can make out of a picture that looks not that great ut of the camera.
I like. I really like how the water came out. I just think the figures are too dark for my taste. I really like the tone/detail in the skin, tho'. Just too dark is all.
For me this is too posed, and after looking at the original image there is definitely too much contrast in this edit, especially the background becoming so blown out, Fiona looks beautiful in the original image, but a little freaky in the edit in my opinion. On the plus side, I am enjoying these images Dave, you have done a great job, and to be quite honest i'm a bit jealous! :)
Nice one Dave...though if you allow me to be picky I would have preferred if you had the negative space on the otherside where Fiona is backing us. Otherwise a tighter crop would suffice. I don't think I like the negative space on the right the more I look at it. I hope I've not gone too far with this comment!
Howdy Dave, since you posted the original picture to this, I went ahead and had a little fun with it. I thought you might like to see it. Let me know what you think, even though it wasn't what you were going for.
Ryan and Fiona Edited by Nate
This is the best one for me Dave, although I do find two things a little distracting. Of course it's only my opinion and I''m going to get you back for all those times you said to me 'I would have just...'
Firstly the hotspots on the faces and in particular the girls shoulder. They are distracting and in particular the circular hotspot takes away the emphasis of the models face.
Secondly, the girls fingers on the guys shoulders are destroying what otherwise might be a nice shape.
The blown background works for me though.
I did prefer the more natural shot in #2, they don't look terribly comfortable in this one. Technically though it's a good photo, i like the high contrast. None with colour though? Must've been some beautiful skies and clear water surely?
Some really constructive criticism today isn't there, much of which I wouldn't have thought of. I think I agree with Jide about putting them on the other side of frame, John about the fingers (get re-touching). I like the high contrast though, don't mind the blown BG or the hotspots, I might even crank it up some more.
I know this is probably anathema but this would look great on b/w film, perhaps a 400 pushed a stop or two. Your EXIF says no flash! Hmm, wheres that light coming from then? Looks like on-camera-flash to me. Ring flash maybe or get the flash off camera.
nice subtle plug for the tutorials... isn't it b/w conversion month? ;-)
Sorting through pics for my own (future) site and I came across this one. Kind of a similar shot (technically) but with the flash off camera. I'm not so sure now... Anyway, that's enough geekery for one day.
Really amazing what you can achieve in the post processing. The difference between the images are huge.
Thanks all.
Jennifer: yes, and I may put one up - I haven't decided yet.
Jide: you're probably right about the negative space.
Nate: oddly enough one of my original edits looked very similar to your version but I ended up going with the black and white.
John: yep, you're right.
Mark P: yes, but I couldn't get a colour version of this one that I liked.
andyshon: yep, a bit of grain wouldn't hurt this image, and you're quite right, I did use flash (that's the problem with manually entering EXIF data). As for your other comment: I like the image you linked.
i would suggest you stick to landscapes. your landscapes are amazing, but i have to say your portraits just aren't at the same level.