As I mentioned a few entries ago, my major project for the next few months is a book on HDR Photography. It's provisionally titled 'Practical HDR', was commissioned by Ilex Press, and will be published by Focal Press at some point in the 3rd of 4th quarter of 2009. I'll also be running an HDR course for Aspen Photo Workshops in Tampa, Florida, from the 19th of April until the 23rd, and am continuing to run my online HDR course with PPSOP. With all that in mind, I remembered that I'd shot a sequence of images inside the Sagrada Familia when I was Barcelona last September. I did look at them not long after I got back, but decided against processing them, though can't remember why.
Anyway, I decided to take another look at them today and am pleased with how it turned out. I appreciate that it's a Marmite shot ;– i.e. it's the style of HDR shot that people seem to either love or hate – but it's one that will probably make it into the book. And for those of you who are interested: the HDR image was created in Photoshop and then tone mapped with Photomatix Pro (as described in my 2nd HDR tutorial).
As an aside, one of the odd things about HDR images is that the smaller they get, the worse they look. For example, I think this one works really well as a high res' image, and would look good as a fairly large print, but it doesn't look quite as good at the resolution presented here. I've put some 100% crops from the high res' version here:
As you can see, while these are obviously crops from an HDR image, the tone mapping doesn't seem quite as unnatural at this higher resolution. If you're interested, I've also put a 2000px x 1333px version here.
As always, let me know what you think, even if you don't like it :-)
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2.48pm on 18/9/08
Canon 1Ds Mark II EF 15mm f/2.8 fisheye
f/8.0
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aperture priority
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ACR
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comment byCarlos Garcia at 07:20 PM (GMT) on 3 January, 2009
Dave, I am not a photographer, but I have always appreciated your artistry, composition skills and I adore the shore and the sea. This is a fascinating shot. It almost looks "video game-ish"; kind of "hyper-alive". The space is absolutely stunning in complexity and I love the perspective. Can't tell if the house of worship has been abandoned or awaiting its rebirth. Hopefully the latter. Beautiful. Carlos
comment bySonny Parlin at 07:57 PM (GMT) on 3 January, 2009
Great composition, I really like the fisheye lens. It's just a little too baked for my taste... By the way, really looking forward to your next tutorial!
comment byAndrew at 08:06 PM (GMT) on 3 January, 2009
I always try to make my HDR as unobtrusive as possible. I don't think these kinds of shots have a lot of atmosphere; i.e. I can't imagine what it would be like to stand there.
The higher res crops are definitely better because these are really about details: bricks, rather than walls.
comment bydjn1 at 08:49 PM (GMT) on 3 January, 2009
Sonny/Andrew: you might prefer a black and white version:
It's only partially post-processed, but does look less "baked" and does give a slightly better sense of the space as a whole.
comment byPatrick at 08:54 PM (GMT) on 3 January, 2009
Beautiful work. I love your entire collection.
comment byKen at 09:42 PM (GMT) on 3 January, 2009
I love your work in general, but these kinds of HDR shots I don't care for. Too over the top for me. It starts to become more of an illustration than a photograph.
comment byondro at 10:39 PM (GMT) on 3 January, 2009
great work, I like your HDR treatment
comment byIvo at 11:16 PM (GMT) on 3 January, 2009
I very much appreciate your blog and the pictures you post. However, like others who have commented before me, I have a certain aversion against HDR. This not because of the technology HDR itself, I use it in a very reduced form myself (usually with as little as two exposures). Rather, it is excessive exposure blending that in my opinion can easily destroy a picture. All too often, this technique aims at eliminating every form of shadows in a picture, thus creating the "video game-ish" look, depriving the image of its depth. What really makes a good picture is the combination, the contrast of light and shadow. Many of your most stunning pictures prove it .
comment byGareth at 12:02 AM (GMT) on 4 January, 2009
Interesting, I hadn't thought of the impact of size on the overall HDR look. It makes sense if I think about it; you're essentially trying to ram a larger tonal range into an 8-bit photo with some local tone mapping trickery. If you then further reduce the image you're effectively breaking the tone-mapping algorithm that was run on the larger image with a second compression algorithm. Does it work better if you work on the final sized image first? Just thinking aloud here...
comment byDedicatedRR at 01:13 AM (GMT) on 4 January, 2009
This is very intense :P I think I like it, haha. If I stare at it for much longer I might not tho ;)
comment by Mark at 05:28 AM (GMT) on 4 January, 2009
I think there's just some subjects that really click with OTT HDR, and church interiors seem to be one of them, perhaps because they are already fairly outlandish buildings in themselves by modern standards. The Hi res versions are certainly a bit softer on the eye; I think perhaps the smaller images tend to emphasise the localised contrast increases more than the large ones - a case of too much punch.
You should visit Istanbul - I'd love to see this treatment of Hagia Sophia.
comment bybryan k at 06:29 AM (GMT) on 4 January, 2009
dave, this is cool but i prefer the B/W version. i love HDR (even the strong stuff!) but the colors in this one seem a bit... hand colored? like they are each in their own color atmosphere and not being effected together in a common light source. maybe a tone filter would pull them together a bit more. but what do i know!
comment byP@sc@l at 10:41 AM (GMT) on 4 January, 2009
Extraordinaire rendu en HDRI...
Le monument s'y prĂȘte bien !
Congratulations !!!
PS : Happy new year !
comment byPaul C at 12:00 PM (GMT) on 4 January, 2009
Great image but I'm afraid the HDR colour version really isn't for me, the black and white on the other hand really shows the image, superb composition and the amazing structure you've captured in this image. Beautiful shot but afraid I find the colour HDR image too distracting for my palette.
comment byeric at 01:27 PM (GMT) on 4 January, 2009
le delire superbe , dessin ou photo , grandiose
comment byRoy at 04:54 PM (GMT) on 4 January, 2009
I'm not keen on Marmite, but have no problem consuming this type of extreme HDR effect.
They make me think of etchings, difficult to make and reliant to a large extent on the right subject and good craft. I had not considered the issue of scale in presenting them, but you're quite right that printing them large opens up a whole lot more interesting detail. I look forward to reading the book.
The only thing I find unsettling about this shot is the slight skewing of what is essentially a symmetrical view!
comment bybirgit at 04:54 PM (GMT) on 4 January, 2009
I usually like what you do, but in this case, I have the strong feeling that Gaudi would not understand why you choose to do it this way. it does not honor the great architecture.
comment bydjn1 at 06:47 PM (GMT) on 4 January, 2009
Thanks everyone.
birgit: you're probably right about Gaudi.
comment byTom at 06:59 PM (GMT) on 4 January, 2009
Awesome HDR picture. Sagrada Familia is a wonderful place to photograph, but this has really is one of the best.
comment byLightningPaul at 09:48 PM (GMT) on 4 January, 2009
Fantastic work! I was there two months ago. I still need to edit most of my images shot in Barcelona, soon I'll start posting them.
Many thanks for posting the 100% crops. You are right about it, they look much better. I have the impression when you make an image smaller, everything get somehow "compressed" so it get a very local contrast boost and hence a saturation boost.
comment byAaron Brown at 11:02 PM (GMT) on 4 January, 2009
Ordinarily, I absolutely love your HDR work, as you keep it subtle. I think this one is a bit over-cooked on the HDR side. I love the symmetry of the composition and I think a little toned down this would be an awesome shot.
comment byJVL at 03:07 AM (GMT) on 5 January, 2009
The textures are almost blinding, and the detail is incredible - so yes, it does look better at a higher res/larger image.
I do like it, I like how it is different, it still shows what you were looking at while showing, just, more. I mean it's digital art, with photography as the base? Who wouldn't like that? Plus? Fisheye HDR's are SO MUCH FUN!
comment byOzbonography at 10:00 AM (GMT) on 5 January, 2009
On this one, I've got to say I'm in the "hate it" category - I find it too busy, and the converging parallels due to the fisheye lens do nothing for me either.
However, I really like the 100% crops - I think they're all lovely, and they make me want to see the place properly far more than the full image does.
Paradoxical, but true.
comment bytessa at 06:58 PM (GMT) on 5 January, 2009
This looks exactly like one of Tomb Raider Underworld levels!
comment by Justin at 11:03 PM (GMT) on 5 January, 2009
I have to admit that I really like this shot / treatment. I'm hit and miss with super-processed HDR, but this one really works for me. I really like the graphic / illustrative element of the image. To that end I see it more as an illustration / piece of art rather than simply a photograph. Nice work!
comment bymooch at 12:57 AM (GMT) on 6 January, 2009
I've seen the book mate. Looks good. Love the graffiti. I was going to congratulate you but thought that it was under NDA so held my tongue. Focal is a great imprint.
Love this shot. Great detail, very dramatic. Reminds me of this guys work:
http://www.sirius2photo.com/photo/
comment bybeeveedee at 01:02 AM (GMT) on 6 January, 2009
I second [Ken's](http://kenmacgray.org/) comments above... I do admire your work, but the HDR is just not my cup of tea. I'm not so much the purist, regarding photography, as the late/great Galen Rowell was, but this type of HDR post-processing represents the other end of the spectrum and I'm not there either. Photoshop, and other apps, have ushered in a new era in photography, and we could question, in general, where the line now lies between photo and illustration. Would definitely spark some conversation, I'm sure.
comment by jimk at 09:44 PM (GMT) on 16 January, 2009
hi David, this is such an extraordinary picture, - lintels particularly weird. Hasnt changed that much since I was there a long time ago.
Given the location, perhaps you could call it 'tonal cubism' (or dynamic cubism)
Jim
comment byClaus at 09:54 AM (GMT) on 22 January, 2009
It's amazing how much detail you have managed to preserve in this one! Fantastic image and location!
comment byUwe Noelke at 08:50 PM (GMT) on 22 January, 2009
Very graphical. I love all those lines.
comment by Simon Dale at 06:18 PM (GMT) on 27 January, 2009
Sorry, just don't get it. What is point? Looks all Sci-Fi and flat, such an awe inspiring flight of fancy as a building (love it or hate it!) this makes it look so so boring. Lose HDR it's just a gimmick!
comment bydjn1 at 09:10 PM (GMT) on 27 January, 2009
Simon: yes, it doesn't look great at this size - that's why I linked the crops. As for HDR being a fad: while camera's remain limited to a relatively low dynamic range it's a technique that's here to stay. That said, my personal preference is for a more 'natural' looking result than this one.
As I mentioned a few entries ago, my major project for the next few months is a book on HDR Photography. It's provisionally titled 'Practical HDR', was commissioned by Ilex Press, and will be published by Focal Press at some point in the 3rd of 4th quarter of 2009. I'll also be running an HDR course for Aspen Photo Workshops in Tampa, Florida, from the 19th of April until the 23rd, and am continuing to run my online HDR course with PPSOP. With all that in mind, I remembered that I'd shot a sequence of images inside the Sagrada Familia when I was Barcelona last September. I did look at them not long after I got back, but decided against processing them, though can't remember why.
Anyway, I decided to take another look at them today and am pleased with how it turned out. I appreciate that it's a Marmite shot ;– i.e. it's the style of HDR shot that people seem to either love or hate – but it's one that will probably make it into the book. And for those of you who are interested: the HDR image was created in Photoshop and then tone mapped with Photomatix Pro (as described in my 2nd HDR tutorial).
As an aside, one of the odd things about HDR images is that the smaller they get, the worse they look. For example, I think this one works really well as a high res' image, and would look good as a fairly large print, but it doesn't look quite as good at the resolution presented here. I've put some 100% crops from the high res' version here:
.../archives/the_sagrada_familia_hr.php
As you can see, while these are obviously crops from an HDR image, the tone mapping doesn't seem quite as unnatural at this higher resolution. If you're interested, I've also put a 2000px x 1333px version here.
As always, let me know what you think, even if you don't like it :-)
camera
focal length
aperture
shutter speed
shooting mode
exposure bias
metering mode
ISO
flash
image quality
RAW converter
cropped?
Canon 1Ds Mark II
EF 15mm f/2.8 fisheye
f/8.0
7 exposures (30s to 1/30)
aperture priority
n/a
evaluative
100
no
RAW
ACR
minor
Dave, I am not a photographer, but I have always appreciated your artistry, composition skills and I adore the shore and the sea. This is a fascinating shot. It almost looks "video game-ish"; kind of "hyper-alive". The space is absolutely stunning in complexity and I love the perspective. Can't tell if the house of worship has been abandoned or awaiting its rebirth. Hopefully the latter. Beautiful. Carlos
Great composition, I really like the fisheye lens. It's just a little too baked for my taste... By the way, really looking forward to your next tutorial!
I always try to make my HDR as unobtrusive as possible. I don't think these kinds of shots have a lot of atmosphere; i.e. I can't imagine what it would be like to stand there.
The higher res crops are definitely better because these are really about details: bricks, rather than walls.
Sonny/Andrew: you might prefer a black and white version:
.../archives/the_sagrada_familia_bw.php
It's only partially post-processed, but does look less "baked" and does give a slightly better sense of the space as a whole.
Beautiful work. I love your entire collection.
I love your work in general, but these kinds of HDR shots I don't care for. Too over the top for me. It starts to become more of an illustration than a photograph.
great work, I like your HDR treatment
I very much appreciate your blog and the pictures you post. However, like others who have commented before me, I have a certain aversion against HDR. This not because of the technology HDR itself, I use it in a very reduced form myself (usually with as little as two exposures). Rather, it is excessive exposure blending that in my opinion can easily destroy a picture. All too often, this technique aims at eliminating every form of shadows in a picture, thus creating the "video game-ish" look, depriving the image of its depth. What really makes a good picture is the combination, the contrast of light and shadow. Many of your most stunning pictures prove it .
Interesting, I hadn't thought of the impact of size on the overall HDR look. It makes sense if I think about it; you're essentially trying to ram a larger tonal range into an 8-bit photo with some local tone mapping trickery. If you then further reduce the image you're effectively breaking the tone-mapping algorithm that was run on the larger image with a second compression algorithm. Does it work better if you work on the final sized image first? Just thinking aloud here...
This is very intense :P I think I like it, haha. If I stare at it for much longer I might not tho ;)
I think there's just some subjects that really click with OTT HDR, and church interiors seem to be one of them, perhaps because they are already fairly outlandish buildings in themselves by modern standards. The Hi res versions are certainly a bit softer on the eye; I think perhaps the smaller images tend to emphasise the localised contrast increases more than the large ones - a case of too much punch.
You should visit Istanbul - I'd love to see this treatment of Hagia Sophia.
dave, this is cool but i prefer the B/W version. i love HDR (even the strong stuff!) but the colors in this one seem a bit... hand colored? like they are each in their own color atmosphere and not being effected together in a common light source. maybe a tone filter would pull them together a bit more. but what do i know!
Extraordinaire rendu en HDRI...
Le monument s'y prĂȘte bien !
Congratulations !!!
PS : Happy new year !
Great image but I'm afraid the HDR colour version really isn't for me, the black and white on the other hand really shows the image, superb composition and the amazing structure you've captured in this image. Beautiful shot but afraid I find the colour HDR image too distracting for my palette.
le delire superbe , dessin ou photo , grandiose
I'm not keen on Marmite, but have no problem consuming this type of extreme HDR effect.
They make me think of etchings, difficult to make and reliant to a large extent on the right subject and good craft. I had not considered the issue of scale in presenting them, but you're quite right that printing them large opens up a whole lot more interesting detail. I look forward to reading the book.
The only thing I find unsettling about this shot is the slight skewing of what is essentially a symmetrical view!
I usually like what you do, but in this case, I have the strong feeling that Gaudi would not understand why you choose to do it this way. it does not honor the great architecture.
Thanks everyone.
birgit: you're probably right about Gaudi.
Awesome HDR picture. Sagrada Familia is a wonderful place to photograph, but this has really is one of the best.
Fantastic work! I was there two months ago. I still need to edit most of my images shot in Barcelona, soon I'll start posting them.
Many thanks for posting the 100% crops. You are right about it, they look much better. I have the impression when you make an image smaller, everything get somehow "compressed" so it get a very local contrast boost and hence a saturation boost.
Ordinarily, I absolutely love your HDR work, as you keep it subtle. I think this one is a bit over-cooked on the HDR side. I love the symmetry of the composition and I think a little toned down this would be an awesome shot.
The textures are almost blinding, and the detail is incredible - so yes, it does look better at a higher res/larger image.
I do like it, I like how it is different, it still shows what you were looking at while showing, just, more. I mean it's digital art, with photography as the base? Who wouldn't like that? Plus? Fisheye HDR's are SO MUCH FUN!
On this one, I've got to say I'm in the "hate it" category - I find it too busy, and the converging parallels due to the fisheye lens do nothing for me either.
However, I really like the 100% crops - I think they're all lovely, and they make me want to see the place properly far more than the full image does.
Paradoxical, but true.
This looks exactly like one of Tomb Raider Underworld levels!
I have to admit that I really like this shot / treatment. I'm hit and miss with super-processed HDR, but this one really works for me. I really like the graphic / illustrative element of the image. To that end I see it more as an illustration / piece of art rather than simply a photograph. Nice work!
I've seen the book mate. Looks good. Love the graffiti. I was going to congratulate you but thought that it was under NDA so held my tongue. Focal is a great imprint.
Love this shot. Great detail, very dramatic. Reminds me of this guys work:
http://www.sirius2photo.com/photo/
I second [Ken's](http://kenmacgray.org/) comments above... I do admire your work, but the HDR is just not my cup of tea. I'm not so much the purist, regarding photography, as the late/great Galen Rowell was, but this type of HDR post-processing represents the other end of the spectrum and I'm not there either. Photoshop, and other apps, have ushered in a new era in photography, and we could question, in general, where the line now lies between photo and illustration. Would definitely spark some conversation, I'm sure.
hi David, this is such an extraordinary picture, - lintels particularly weird. Hasnt changed that much since I was there a long time ago.
Given the location, perhaps you could call it 'tonal cubism' (or dynamic cubism)
Jim
It's amazing how much detail you have managed to preserve in this one! Fantastic image and location!
Very graphical. I love all those lines.
Sorry, just don't get it. What is point? Looks all Sci-Fi and flat, such an awe inspiring flight of fancy as a building (love it or hate it!) this makes it look so so boring. Lose HDR it's just a gimmick!
Simon: yes, it doesn't look great at this size - that's why I linked the crops. As for HDR being a fad: while camera's remain limited to a relatively low dynamic range it's a technique that's here to stay. That said, my personal preference is for a more 'natural' looking result than this one.