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I've totally run out of time to write anything meaningful this evening but did want to pick up on something from yesterday – I DO VALUE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITIQUE and don't just want a string of "ooh, great shot" comments ;-)

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4.39pm on 14/3/05
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comment by tristan.net at 08:50 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

great image! i love the symmetry of it and how it leans with the people.

comment by Jonathan at 09:09 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

Nice colors on this one. They realy pop. I too like the gansta-lean on that guy. I imagine if you didn't tilt the camera, he would fall over. =)

comment by tark at 09:43 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

great photo and building railway station is very, very nice! :) And this old people is interesting...

comment by Robyn P. at 09:45 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

I find this shot a little overexposed. I know its really hard to find a happy medium when its so bright outside and so dark inside, but I think the inside is a little light as well?

I really like the composition and don't think it would benefit from cropping as all the elements add to the mood of the men in the foreground

comment by turnover at 09:47 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

Subject too much centered, the horizontal plane is inclined and the DOF is very small ... I don't like this photograph for this reasons. Normally i don't comment much but your photographs are better than this. And i am let alone good photographer than you. :)

comment by Steve at 10:18 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

I enjoy this photo very much. I like the motion of the two central
figures, but I agree they are too centered. I would like to see the
camera swung more to the right or a significant amount cropped
off the left. Maybe as much as 4 centimeters. I think the exposure
is fine and I like the inclined plane.

comment by djn1 at 10:19 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

What does everybody else think about Robyn's point about this being overexposed and turnover's points about the subjects being in the centre and the horizon being skewed?

As for the DoF: it's actually quite large – almost front to back – but the resizing hasn't done this one justice. Also, unfortunately, both the central characters were moving sufficiently quickly to cause a bit of motion blur.

comment by matt at 10:28 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

I think train stations are a great photographic subject...wish we had more in the US! I agree that the image may be bit over exposed but it doesn't bother me. I like the canted angle.

What I think this shot lacks is anything of REAL interest. Perhaps with the train was moving and therefore blurred or if one of the men in the center of the shot were doing something to add interest (ie. moving, gestruing, giving you the bird...anything).

comment by Andy at 10:29 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

This isn't the most brilliant shot over, of course, but I like it because it's so different from everything else you put on here. The vertical lines are crooked, the perspective is slightly off and the left side of the photo is overexposed.

I'd say the picture is actually enhanced by these "errors." I went to a Cartier-Bresson exhibition a couple of months back and I was shocked because many of his photos contain the same "errors." I came to realize, however, that these minor things aren't don't always matter. People photography is about capturing a moment, not making sure everything is perfect.

While I'm not particularly fond of this shot, I congratulate you for trying new things, and for posting a shot that's not "perfect."

comment by eldan at 10:44 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

I really like the visible attitude of those two characters. Well, "like" isn't quite the right word... I appreciate the way it's been captured, while the attitude itself is something I don't miss about such places.

I don't think I would have exposed it any less, because otherwise the dark clothes on the chap on the left would turn into a featureless space right in the middle of the shot. Sure, the far platform gets washed out, but that's not important detail and I quite like the way it's been reduced to a few perspective lines.

comment by JamesK at 10:46 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

Crewe?

comment by bjorn at 11:01 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

overexposed and tilted, both don't add anything to the photo, as well as the people on the right.
the two guys in the middle are interesting, but i would go closer,or maybe a low point of view so that the structure of the ceiling becomes the backround of the pic ?

comment by henning at 11:09 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

I think Robyn is wrong, the exposure seems as good as it gets with the dynamic range you have at hand. The blown highlights on the left are pretty smooth, and don’t bother me.

I like how you worked up the colors.

What I don’t really like is the feeling of randomness, exaggerated by the crooked angle, and the left guy’s awkward pose. It feels a little bit like the camera just went off. This was shot from the chest I guess?

comment by Sharla at 11:20 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

The shot isn't overexposed, maybe a bit more contrast than ideal but certainly fine for all but the most discriminating critic. I'm having trouble adapting to the tilt, it feels to me as being between too much and not enough -- maybe vertically closer to the plane running from his head to his foot would feel better. I mght prefer a tighter shot of the central figure and less of the schedules on the right.

But I don't want to be a discriminating critic -- it's a people shot and it's much more fun and satisfying just concentrating on the expressions, body language, the actions of the moment. I like that the figures are spread enough and exclusive enough that each can be a short story in this bound version. I really don't care if the bookends are perfectly aligned on this one.

comment by Fellow Eskimo at 11:33 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

It almost looks like you used a fish eye on this one. The symmetry is quite strange and off balence, but it makes it more intresting. I like how you can take pictures of random people in public places!

comment by Caroline at 11:39 PM (GMT) on 15 March, 2005

I would like it more if there were only one or two things as the main focus. It feels very busy. That combined with the lean makes me feel kind of dizzy.

comment by Thinh at 12:02 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

I agree with Andy in saying that not everything is perfect and there isn't a set format/order to photography. It's all a matter of capturing the moment. Perhaps this was the only shot Dave could get at the time, and if he didn't push that shutter all the way then that moment was gone and he'll never have the chance to take it again.

I do agree that the top left corner is a bit too bright for me...but everything else is great. I like the crookedness of the photo. The incline makes it seem like the two individuals in the center are trying to regain their balance...sort of like as if an earthquake had just hit the area.

Cheers : )

comment by Marc Brubaker at 12:32 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

I like this shot as far as composition goes. True, your two central figures could be a bit off-centre and it would look wonderful, but I still enjoy it. Or maybe they could be a bit closer to you...if they were a bit larger it would help, I think.

What I'm having a hard time with, however, is the angle at which you've taken the picture. It just seems to throw everything off-kilter. For some reason I just don't enjoy it.

comment by mandar at 12:47 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

Good enough shot to post I guess. I've seen much better on your site and the expectation level is quite high :).

Anyways ... my question today is not about the photograph but the subjects. What are the legalities in taking someone's picture for your personal blog? Do they sign a release saying it's okay ? If not, can they sue you for having used their image without permission? Is your blog considered editorial content, in which case you are free to publish whatever suits the "news" or "editorial content" that you publish?

This might sound a bit interrogatory, but believe me ... I'm just curious. Would love to know your take. Also ... my queries aren't exactly photography related [this time] ... sorry about that.

comment by adam at 12:57 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

a bit odd of a shot.

it works still - but I keep thinking that train is going to slide sideways into the poor fellow.

comment by CTC at 01:26 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

Train stations are great photographic locations as they are always dynamic, and involve interesting people. I feel in this image you have captured the interesting people, but not the dynamic nature of the platform. Personally, I believe this is due to the main subject (man in black) is in the centre of the image. I also find the horizon disturbing. Its almost as if you are concentrating on this man buy orientating the horizon to his stance, and focussing the image centre on him. Is this intentional?

Was the intention to capture the man or the scene? If the intent was the man, then I say success, if the intent was the scene, I say not so. Hope this was constructive :)

comment by marc at 04:43 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

You guys say that stations are great to photograph... which they are but you have to be careful these days b/c when I used to live in Sydney a couple of my friends were shooting around Central Station (the main station in Sydney) and got harassed by security for a while but everything ended up ok in the end b/c they eventually managed to convince them that they weren't terrorists. Weird times we live in where people with cameras in public places are considered a threat of some sort.

comment by Alex. at 05:51 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

There is a subtle complexity to the disorienting nature of this image: I look at first and see people -- spontaneity is their essence; their impulse to move in any direction is the photographer's objective to freeze. I look again and I see an ornate (by U.S. standards) train station; I look again and see patterns that I didn't notice the first time: The brick and mortar on the walls, the ceiling of the station repeating into infinity, the bolts in the metal on the train, the bricks on the ground. I see converging lines, the roof, the train, the ground, the walls coming to this center, the two men.

Or, maybe I look too deeply into things.

Alex.

comment by Zishaan at 06:15 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

I am so glad to see a picture on Chromasia that seems just out of the camera. Frankly, in Chromasia's second year so far, I haven't seen many pictures that are not 'slightly/heavily touched' i n PS. I like this one for its fresh feeling and colors.

comment by Jamey Fenske at 06:59 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

Yes I agree with some of the others. Not that I am a man who always follows the rules, but I think the rule of thirds would help here. Also there are a lot of lines in this photo. It may have be possible to use those lines to draw your eye to something. I dont mind the skewed angle though.

comment by Smallest Photo at 07:11 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

The angle on this is fantastic. Makes it look like the "Chav" (sorry fellow Americans there's no translation for that) has thrown off the balance of the world.

comment by Adriana at 07:15 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

As I said before, I am in the process of learning and I find so many things in your pictures that are useful for me. So that's why I don't fell so confortable saying more than what I liked of each image.

In general, what I liked the most in this photoblog is the human part that you print in all of your pictures with the story that comes with it. I really like pictures involving trains, maybe cause we don't have any in the city where I live and the nearest is in San Diego, in the USA (I guess). Any way, this time I may say both, things(what I like and what I don't) .

I like the composition because as some people has said is a little bit different from what you usually do. And this time you let us know the station and no just the train in motion. About the contrast and the overexposure, I dont see any problem, maybe because I tend to do that I my own pictures. I have no problem with the angle, actually I find it intresting, but I'd rather to eliminate the people in the center of it. I think that they are a little bit distracted for me. Of course that's my personal opinion. Besides that, I really like the wall's colors. :)

comment by John at 07:46 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

I think the image may just be slightly over exposed but seeing as this is more about capturing people I think that is just the way it is.

I think that if you had swung the camera to the right it would have placed more emphasis on the main subjects BUT it would have destroyed the context of the shot which for me is the walking guy looking back at the train.

The skewed angle adds to the perspective and make the image just a bit more dynamics,

I recently went to a photography seminar where the issue of motion blur (as opposed to camera shake) cropped up. The photographer in question who is the UK top wedding photographer said that he doesn't have any problem at all with a bit of motion blur because it usually adds a bit of life to a shot.

I am usually like a more tightly cropped photo than this but having said that in my own work I am beginning to explore the opportunities of stepping back a bit.

To answer the comments about permission etc:

Railways are not public places in the stricy sense of the word. They are private places to which the public have access. This means that they will have a policy on photography. However I myself just carry on until I get stopped.

In the last week I was stopped four times in different places. On one occassion I was literally swooped upon by security guards and told rather strongly that photography is not allowed.

The other day I went along to a school football match with my wife who is the deputy head teacher. I took some photographs some of which were for a school display and if I had a blogable shot I would use it. It wasn't long before a parent objected and I had to stop.

WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TOO. I must admit I was rather annoyed and in my usual sarcastic way said to the Headteacher. "don't worry, I won't put these ones on youngfootballers legs.com

It is becoming increasingly difficult to photograph and you have to be careful. Some of the photos that we have seen in the past would be near on impossible to obtain now and to me that is tragic.

comment by David at 11:03 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

Overexposed; When shooting people, you're forced to meter for their faces - even though this isn't a mug shot, Ithink it still applies.
Good strong lines, shooting angle, and very busy, but all attention ultimately comes to your central figure. The limp is perfect, and so is his face. The background immediately behind his face hurts - so it doesn't stand out (if the red from the door could frame him, it would be perfect, but of course that's not possible).
I like it!

comment by dl at 11:24 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

I'd have liked the chav on his own. Like the shot though.

comment by Orthodox at 11:37 AM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

i'm a little bit dissappointed with your last posts. waiting for that "special" effect i've discovered in last months photos.

comment by potatoe at 03:57 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

apart from technicalities (which i am not bothered in for this post), what really interest me in this photo were captured moments. i countered six moments captured in 1 frame of time.

this is not the train station in cardiff innit ? :)

comment by Kenny at 05:10 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

I guess constructive critisism is a good thing, but I don't find most of these critics constructive." I would have done this" or "I like it but... " , is just personal opinion. Once the shutter is released, that is the shot. Of course you can make adjustments in PS or even make extreme changes, but the picture is the photographer's vision. What I'm trying to say is that opinions on things like exposure are one thing, but critisizing composition or even subject matter is ludicrous. Sorry, just my opinion.

comment by pedro at 08:03 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

HTML is allowed. Leave a clear line between paragraphs.

comment by pedro at 08:32 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

ops...sorry about that!
i must agree with kenny. some of those comments are all but constructive and completely boring...they´re nothing! i don´t know what people are expecting when writing that kind of things...to help the guy??? or help themselves?

i think this is quite simple, you do like is work or you don´t. and this is a PHOTOBLOG!!! not a portfolio or a gallery...

congratulations for your work...and for your patiente! :)

comment by Ioannis at 09:10 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

The colour is nice, perhaps I will agree with those saying that the picture is slightly overexposed though.

I dislike the fact that the people are VERY oddly placed, and the fact that the image is skewed for no apparent reason. I think a picture taken from further to the left looking more towards the train would have been much better.

comment by djn1 at 10:39 PM (GMT) on 16 March, 2005

Thanks everyone.

Andy: "People photography is about capturing a moment, not making sure everything is perfect." Very true, but it's nice when the two coincide, and I don't think they did here.

JamesK: Bolton.

bjorn: I think I agree that the shot would have been stronger had I made more of the two central characters.

Zishaan: oddly enough I had the feeling that I was doing less by way of post-processing, but I'll have a look through my recent stuff again.

John: I agree, the persistent "why are you taking photographs?" attitude is getting a bit wearing.

Kenny: yes, I agree, at least in part. That said I do find critiques of composition and subject matter useful insofar as "my vision", a) doesn't always map onto the outcome, and b) isn't something fixed. If, through a critical comment, I can reshape my vision for the better, then I'm happy to listen.

As for this image being skewed: it's simply because the camera was hanging round my neck at the time and a) I quite liked the outcome, and b) like cropping people shots even less than I like cropping other types of shots.

comment by Nick at 08:46 AM (GMT) on 17 March, 2005

The tilt really adds dynamics to the image, if it had been straight it would have lost its, thingymeduke whats it called (sorry I am writing at an early hour of the day) - In short, I like it!