In many ways I prefer this one to yesterday's, but I'd be interested to hear what you think.
And for those of you following the kitchen saga: the plumbing is finished (insofar as the hot and cold feeds are done), and the electrics and false wall should be mostly finished by tomorrow. At which point I'll take a breather for a day or so before getting on with laying the flooring, assembling the cupboards, plumbing in the sink, finishing the electrics, fitting the worktops and splashbacks and decorating :-/
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11.12am on 6/4/05
Canon 20D
EF 17-40 f/4L USM
32mm (51mm equiv.)
f/5.6
1/40
aperture priority
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I prefer this one to yesterdays as well. It is a lot more atmospheric.
You've certainly capture two very depressed looking people. Or then again, maybe that's what travelling on the british train network does to people.
Excellent shot though - good luck with all that work you've still got to do.
comment by Jay at 10:36 PM (GMT) on 7 April, 2005
This shot has so much mood in it.
It really conveys a message, the other one was.... well... kind of everyday'ish.
comment byodilia at 10:49 PM (GMT) on 7 April, 2005
i really like this one..
comment by chris at 10:50 PM (GMT) on 7 April, 2005
excellent shot. And the sepia tone does wonders. I can't imaging the lurid shades of Merseyrail seats would have helped!
and good luck with the kitchen!
comment by chris at 11:22 PM (GMT) on 7 April, 2005
also...
I've just noticed that using the "black theme" seems to bring me into the shot. In comparison the "white" feels more like looking in, through a window.
anybody else?
comment by Maxine at 11:24 PM (GMT) on 7 April, 2005
This one for sure! Not even going to ask you how can you be always at the right place, with the right camera and convey the moment in such wonderful pic. Congratulations and good luck with your home work :)
i definately prefer this over yesterday's... i love the mood. thanks for sharing your art with the world, God bless.
comment byFellow Eskimo at 11:30 PM (GMT) on 7 April, 2005
I prefer this one, its probably the toning...and the position of the person. The black theme does well with this one, gives it more of a mood. Plus the capture of the other person looks cool. :)
comment byAdrian at 12:19 AM (GMT) on 8 April, 2005
hell dave your on a mission at home!! Must not let the missus read how fast your doing it.....I would get in trouble :P
Great shot this, I prefer this one also, I like the fact that the guy in the reflection seems to be at least relaxed in his seat, contrasting with the other chappie who looks to have his head in his hands or maybe trying to get a 5 minute snooze.
comment bydaniela at 02:09 AM (GMT) on 8 April, 2005
i like very much this shot. the sepia looks great and i love shots in train. i don't know how to say :el reflejo del other man is beautiful, y la atmosfera de cansancio de la persona que está inclinada es casi magica. me gusta mucho ciertamente.
besos
comment by kate at 02:14 AM (GMT) on 8 April, 2005
great eye, david! all your train shots have been spot on.
may i ask, when you see a moment like this, what's your method?
i picture myself fumbling with everything, making a lot of noise, etc. does this ever happen to you? how do you avoid it?
was the fact that both of them appear to be sleeping in your favor here timing wise?
also, do you wait for the train to make a stop before shooting? if not, what technique do you use to avoid blur from vibration.
sorry, probably pretty dumb questions, but i ride the "el" (our elevated trains) a lot! ;))
comment byDavid at 04:02 AM (GMT) on 8 April, 2005
Great image - Sepia works well for it.
It's much more centered than yesterday's, which had a lot of empty space in the middle of the frame.
It is more mysterious - yesterday the man on the right had an interesting expression, but other than him it was a fairly bland shot.
Also, you've got great highlights and shadows to fill out the frame.
comment byjeff, the rhino at 05:07 AM (GMT) on 8 April, 2005
Much more magnetic than yesterday's... i'm drawn into it.
comment byhungaro at 05:10 AM (GMT) on 8 April, 2005
I much prefer yesterday's shot
I have a hread time figuring out what I am looking at
comment byGreg Wilker at 07:15 AM (GMT) on 8 April, 2005
I always find your sepia pictures to be entertaining with a calm and easy going tone to them.
comment by pryce at 08:29 AM (GMT) on 8 April, 2005
This one for sure. Most of the reasons have been mentioned above; to me, this one tells a deeper story than yesterdays. You sure have an admirable sense for motif and mood.
comment byfraxinus at 09:41 AM (GMT) on 8 April, 2005
This has the edge over yesterday's in my view, as it evokes all kinds of mysterious feelings of duality, schizophrenia and astral projection - all this on a train to Bolton, wow!
The monochrome treatment works well. Oh, and I like the neat reference to plumbing in the inclusion of the pipe motifs...:-)
I like how you can see the reflection of the dude there. Nice job man
comment bypicturegrl at 03:19 PM (GMT) on 8 April, 2005
i like the mood this one conveys, and the toning is superb, as always. I also like the pipe placement directly through the center of the picture, adding to the duality. Very nice.
comment byfrisky? at 04:19 PM (GMT) on 8 April, 2005
nice one dave, I like the reflection.
comment byJason Wall at 05:05 PM (GMT) on 8 April, 2005
Qualitatively, the two photos are close. They're different though, and depending on your mood, you're likely to like one over the other. I like this one more, but then again, I feel like that half shown figure in the reflection and find shared feelings comforting. The absence of color is also relaxing; it doesn't force any emotion I would rather not try and feel.
paul: the guy with his head in his hands looked a bit the worse for drink, so I think he may have been trying to sleep it off.
kate: this was one of about 10 shots. The guy with his head in his hands was oblivious to what I was doing and the reflected person probably assumed she wasn't in the shot, so this one was relatively straightforward. As for when the shot was taken: I think the train was moving but can't be sure.
fraxinus: I really wish the pipe motif had been intentional ;-)
comment byLevi Buzolic at 07:14 PM (GMT) on 8 April, 2005
I really like this one has a much more moody and dark feel to it. Great work as always mate.
comment byDuncan at 10:47 AM (GMT) on 10 April, 2005
Have you photoshopped this? Because I'm staring at the reflection again the divider and I can see that there is a distinct gap between it and the pole, yet the reflection carries over the gap and onto half of the pole. Moreso, wouldn't you expect that the reflection again the pole would be convex around it? I don't meant to sound like I don't like the photo, but it's something that leapt at me pretty immediately. If I'm wrong, I'll happily stand corrected. I've been really enjoying your train shots lately.
comment bydjn1 at 10:53 AM (GMT) on 10 April, 2005
Duncan: I can see what you mean but you're assuming that the reflection is reflected in the wall immediately behind it when, in fact, it's actually a reflection in an internal window immediately in front of the lens; i.e. on the opposite side of the carriage. That's why it crosses the gap.
In many ways I prefer this one to yesterday's, but I'd be interested to hear what you think.
And for those of you following the kitchen saga: the plumbing is finished (insofar as the hot and cold feeds are done), and the electrics and false wall should be mostly finished by tomorrow. At which point I'll take a breather for a day or so before getting on with laying the flooring, assembling the cupboards, plumbing in the sink, finishing the electrics, fitting the worktops and splashbacks and decorating :-/
camera
lens
focal length
aperture
shutter speed
shooting mode
exposure bias
metering mode
ISO
flash
image quality
RAW converter
cropped?
Canon 20D
EF 17-40 f/4L USM
32mm (51mm equiv.)
f/5.6
1/40
aperture priority
+0.0
evaluative
100
no
RAW
C1 Pro
no
I prefer this one to yesterdays as well. It is a lot more atmospheric.
You've certainly capture two very depressed looking people. Or then again, maybe that's what travelling on the british train network does to people.
Excellent shot though - good luck with all that work you've still got to do.
This shot has so much mood in it.
It really conveys a message, the other one was.... well... kind of everyday'ish.
i really like this one..
excellent shot. And the sepia tone does wonders. I can't imaging the lurid shades of Merseyrail seats would have helped!
and good luck with the kitchen!
also...
I've just noticed that using the "black theme" seems to bring me into the shot. In comparison the "white" feels more like looking in, through a window.
anybody else?
This one for sure! Not even going to ask you how can you be always at the right place, with the right camera and convey the moment in such wonderful pic. Congratulations and good luck with your home work :)
i definately prefer this over yesterday's... i love the mood. thanks for sharing your art with the world, God bless.
I prefer this one, its probably the toning...and the position of the person. The black theme does well with this one, gives it more of a mood. Plus the capture of the other person looks cool. :)
This one inspires a lot. Congrats!
hell dave your on a mission at home!! Must not let the missus read how fast your doing it.....I would get in trouble :P
Great shot this, I prefer this one also, I like the fact that the guy in the reflection seems to be at least relaxed in his seat, contrasting with the other chappie who looks to have his head in his hands or maybe trying to get a 5 minute snooze.
i like very much this shot. the sepia looks great and i love shots in train. i don't know how to say :el reflejo del other man is beautiful, y la atmosfera de cansancio de la persona que está inclinada es casi magica. me gusta mucho ciertamente.
besos
great eye, david! all your train shots have been spot on.
may i ask, when you see a moment like this, what's your method?
i picture myself fumbling with everything, making a lot of noise, etc. does this ever happen to you? how do you avoid it?
was the fact that both of them appear to be sleeping in your favor here timing wise?
also, do you wait for the train to make a stop before shooting? if not, what technique do you use to avoid blur from vibration.
sorry, probably pretty dumb questions, but i ride the "el" (our elevated trains) a lot! ;))
Great image - Sepia works well for it.
It's much more centered than yesterday's, which had a lot of empty space in the middle of the frame.
It is more mysterious - yesterday the man on the right had an interesting expression, but other than him it was a fairly bland shot.
Also, you've got great highlights and shadows to fill out the frame.
Much more magnetic than yesterday's... i'm drawn into it.
I much prefer yesterday's shot
I have a hread time figuring out what I am looking at
I always find your sepia pictures to be entertaining with a calm and easy going tone to them.
This one for sure. Most of the reasons have been mentioned above; to me, this one tells a deeper story than yesterdays. You sure have an admirable sense for motif and mood.
This has the edge over yesterday's in my view, as it evokes all kinds of mysterious feelings of duality, schizophrenia and astral projection - all this on a train to Bolton, wow!
The monochrome treatment works well. Oh, and I like the neat reference to plumbing in the inclusion of the pipe motifs...:-)
I also prefer this one. You do this soft toning very well and a great image.
I like how you can see the reflection of the dude there. Nice job man
i like the mood this one conveys, and the toning is superb, as always. I also like the pipe placement directly through the center of the picture, adding to the duality. Very nice.
nice one dave, I like the reflection.
Qualitatively, the two photos are close. They're different though, and depending on your mood, you're likely to like one over the other. I like this one more, but then again, I feel like that half shown figure in the reflection and find shared feelings comforting. The absence of color is also relaxing; it doesn't force any emotion I would rather not try and feel.
Thanks everyone.
paul: the guy with his head in his hands looked a bit the worse for drink, so I think he may have been trying to sleep it off.
kate: this was one of about 10 shots. The guy with his head in his hands was oblivious to what I was doing and the reflected person probably assumed she wasn't in the shot, so this one was relatively straightforward. As for when the shot was taken: I think the train was moving but can't be sure.
fraxinus: I really wish the pipe motif had been intentional ;-)
I really like this one has a much more moody and dark feel to it. Great work as always mate.
Have you photoshopped this? Because I'm staring at the reflection again the divider and I can see that there is a distinct gap between it and the pole, yet the reflection carries over the gap and onto half of the pole. Moreso, wouldn't you expect that the reflection again the pole would be convex around it? I don't meant to sound like I don't like the photo, but it's something that leapt at me pretty immediately. If I'm wrong, I'll happily stand corrected. I've been really enjoying your train shots lately.
Duncan: I can see what you mean but you're assuming that the reflection is reflected in the wall immediately behind it when, in fact, it's actually a reflection in an internal window immediately in front of the lens; i.e. on the opposite side of the carriage. That's why it crosses the gap.